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The Countdown: 10 Weeks to CDA

Only made it 1800m at the pool this morning before water aerobics took over the pool. Note to self: get up another half hour earlier for the pool.

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  • So the old fatties kicked you out? That sucks Allen. I got my 2400m in and felt pretty good about it. Wasn't setting any speed records but not shelled, elbows aren't killing me, so I will take it as a positive. I even read the workout wrong and was only taking 15s break on the 100s, not the 30s. That makes me so tough!

    After the swim I packed up the little one into the jogging stroller and did my 3 x 1mi @ TP. Wind is still out there so it wasn't the easiest pushing that parachute but Chelsea loved it. She was even trying to hand me back some pretzel sticks for nutrition. Splits were 7:28, 7:29, 7:13. Really would like to run these one week without the stroller but don't think that will happen.
  • So how did we go from the most active group to basically no one posting? I blame Van. Is anyone working out. We have the big day coming up folks. Let's get it together.

    As for working out, only a swim on the schedule today? Done and I don't know what to do with myself. Made a proper lunch with actual vegetables for me and my daughter. Even cleaned the kitchen. Was even tempted to run a bit but it was raining out.
  • Don't worry I'm still here!!! Legs were sore/tired after a tough weekend of riding and running, but swimming is beginning to a be a non-event with the workouts being doable and my stroke getting where it needs to be. Hoping for a good swim test next week. Another flexible schedule this week, so I am doing the long run tonight and will continue to work on IM cadence outside of the z3 stuff and getting a good rhythm to my run that I can do without thinking about on race day.

    DVR Alert: They are showing IM New Zealand on Universal Sports today. I think its on at 2pm west coast time.
  • I'm here and still kickin' it... with my Sons' baseball games & tournaments (I have 3 sons who are on 5 baseball teams) I'm a pretty busy fella... workouts are getting done and feel pretty simmilar to Michael... swims feel sorta non-event. Also banging out the long runs without much issue at all. Although my longer bikes have been tougher... just not used to 4 hours in the saddle. In OS we had 90 minute runs so going to 100 & 110 is no big deal. However, max bike length in OS was something like 1:45 and to go from that to 4H one day and 3 the next is quite a jump. I feel like one of those cartoon characters whose legs start running before their torso... Torso is catching up though.

    Due to some scheduling strangeness, I'll be doing my Big Day on Thursday. Looking forward to it.

    In other news I have become addicted to Trail Mix from Costco... the one with M&Ms in it. I'm eating crazy amounts of it.
  • @Art: I love the "Soy Energy Blend" trial mix from Costco, but there's no M%Ms in it image
  • Glad to see you posting Michael! 33 people in the group and like 6 post. Lovely. Don't you people have easy jobs like me?

    And I think IM NZ is on @ 6PM EST. Not sure if it is different on the Left Coast or not.
  • art:  i live off m&m's!  can't afford the trail mix part.

    here's a pic from this weekend's climbing century @ the top of a 4mile climb that ranged from 12%-22%...and it came at mile 80.   mtn rear derailleur and 11-32 cassette.

    ...actually, forget it, i don't know how to send a pic anymore with this new format of website/server whatever.

    swim still developing. run on schedule.  bike, we'll have to wait and see.

    safe training to all!

    GH

     

  • Workouts are going pretty good here too. Swims are going fine, still working on getting the stroke right and really wanting to get a bit faster. Hoping these workouts help push me over the hurdle so I get there on the swim and remove some of my glide. But one of the kids just moved to the swim team so I am now going to have to swap out swim nights, so trying to rearrange a little of my schedule around that.

    As to the bike and runs, the runs are going great long runs seem to be just right and the speed workouts fell good. The bike isn't too bad, been forced to do much of it on the trainer as I need to be available for kids, etc. or it is too dark, raining, etc.

    Looking forward to the Big Day x2 last one went pretty good, so looking forward to another one.
  • @ All - I'm still plugging away and getting it done.  No injuries (knock on wood).  Here is a summary of the past few days:

    Saturday - 4 hours on the spin bike (3 classes plus time between classes since it was raining and 40 degrees).  This was an exercise in mental toughness as I about lost my mind that long riding inside.   Then ran 3 miles at 7:30 pace.

    Sunday - 3.5 hour ride with local cycling club.  Sunny ,dry, but 38 degrees and strong wind.  Brrr!!  Work works as I was as fast as any of the roadies.

    Monday - Swim 2300 yds then run 4.5 miles with 1x mile @ 6:48 pace and 1 x 1.5 miles @ 6:20 pace.

    Tuesday - Raining this am so back to the spin class.  Per Coach R, I'm adding an extra bike session per week (dropping one of the runs) so today I did 80' with 4 x 8' (2') Z4 , then the balance at Z3.  Heading to pool to the do the swim work out tonight.

    Stay health and get lots of sleep.  3xs on the M&Ms.

     

  • No aerobics class taking over the pool this morning so I was able to finish the 2550m swim. I'm starting to gain confidence in my swim and was able to stick with breathing every 3 strokes for the duration of the workout. In past workouts, once I get tired, I would have to switch to every 2 strokes, which would slow me down enough for my legs to start dragging. I'm averaging ~55"/50m with 3 strokes and ~1'05"/50m with 2 strokes so this will be a big difference over 2.4 miles.
  • Sorry for not posting in a while, life has been really busy. Despite that, I have stayed on track with my training. I have really been focusing on my swimming form and continue to see improvement. My first 200 yds this morning I did in 2:45. I couldn't believe it. A month ago I never saw anything under 3 minutes for a 200 yd interval. After that, my pace slowed a little... I think that being cold from jumping in the pool gave me extra motivation.

    My left hip has been bugging me a bit while running. I think I strained it two weeks ago during my long run. Last week I tried doing the long run and had to cut it 10 minutes short, since the last half hour or so it was progressively feeling worse. My shorter runs I haven't had a problem with. I have been using the heating pad on it a lot, which seems to help. Hopefully it won't be an issue much longer.
  • did a 17:15:45 for 1000yrds.  down 30seconds from last month.  haven't been swimming much so i wanted to gain confidence before starting up with all the intervals.  almost no kick and focused on the pull more.  overall i am happy.

    Allen:  i'm not sure what the concensus is for breathing during the IM swim, but planning to breath every 3rd is too few i think? in a race i breath every other stroke on the same side, unless i have to breath on the other side for some reason.  however, i don't know much about swimming norms.

    GH

  • actually, down 44 seconds! yeah.

  • Regarding breathing during the race: I train 50-60% breathing every third stroke, and the other 40%, I split between breathing every other stroke on the left, and every other on the right. In the race, except for the first 1-2 minutes, it's all "every other stroke", either right or lefrt as the situation dictates. Coach Rich advises this as well, from waht he posts.

    Allen - you should be *faster* breathing every other stroke than breathing every third. At the GH Y pool, at the same time you go, there is a swim instructor in one of the lanes (2nd one over from the pace clocks?) which is marked with a traffic cone, who will watch your stroke and offer advice.

  • I'm back babies, from both Disney and a nasty cold. Hit the pool yesterday and didn't seem to lose too much in the week off.

    I've had to juggle the schedule because I have the Grizzly Triathlon this weekend. So, despite being on a business trip in Helena, I moved the big day to today! Started off with a swim in a new gym in town. Headed back to the Holiday Inn and, with tv remote in hand, cranked out 3:50 on the trainer. IF was a little low at .62, but I'll take it for such a mind numbing ride. There is not enough TV or iPad to make that fun. After that, hit the treadmill for 6 miles even in 60 min.

    I have destroyed my room no doubt. Still one thing left to do. Get some sleep!!!
  • @Van, .62 on a trainer for 3.5 hours sounds acceptable to me. Way to get the big day done.
    Looks like @Gil and @Scott are killing the swim. What's the secret? I think I've gone from Over 2:00/100m to 1:50 or so. Improvement but not enough.
  • Don't worry Tucker, you are far from the slowest out there. I haven't even attempted to time myself because I don't want to have to deal with the mental blow. I am just happy to be swimming an hour a day with minimal pool-side poses. Some day, soon, I guess I am going to have to break out the clock and see where I really stand.

    As for the rest of the training it is coming along just nicely. Weighed in this morning and I finally broke the 160 mark, which I have been struggling with for some time. I think I am starting to adapt to the tri-bike, and some of that lost power is starting to come back. I believe I need to shot a vid off to Todd for a fit analysis though. My right knee and elbow keep hitting.

    I can't say that I am 100% ready for ToC, but I think that is probably more mental than anything. I am letting the fact that I am going out to ride with the big boys (have you seen Coach R's numbers) psych me out a bit. I have 3 solid weekends left though, including the Big Day and the RR#1, so should be good by time May 14th rolls around.

    And what can I say about the running. This is the part that I enjoy the most. The legs are feeling really good on both the long runs and the speed work. I know that 2.4 miles of swimming and 112 miles on the bike are going to make a major difference, but I keep telling myself if you can make it to the run you are set.

    Have a great day gang. Gotta get back to work for a little bit, and then head back to the pool. Hoping the consistency there is going to pay off.
  • @ Scott: X2 on the nagging body part... I've got some joint soreness in my left shoulder which I notice more on the run than in the pool. I'm not doing something right and/or have a muscular imbalannce. Last year it was the right side of my neck. At least it something different. Good work on staying after it... don't want those nagging things to turn into chronic things.
  • Hey Team - Good to see we are still cranking it out - and back to posting per our team leaders request.

    On my end, still getting in my workouts, but per a discussion with WSM Leigh Boyle on coming out of rehab and still dealing with a few nagging issues, am taking a different approach than the standard EN plan. Really focusing on just building up my endurance to be able to finish and not really worry so much about speed at this point.

    Thus - this past weekend, spent 2 hours on the trainer on Saturday followed by a brick run. On Sunday, did a 55 mile charity bike ride that had over 5000ft of climbing. Was busy with work on Monday, so last night did 50 minutes on the dreadmill and then swam 2000m. Overall, the swim and bike are coming along, but the run is where the injuries are making it a little tough....but we'll figure it out and get her done!!

    @Scott - For the hip, make sure you check Leigh's ATA site - has some good stretches and ART stuff. Has helped me out.

    All The Best Team....
  • @ JT, thanks for the tip. I will check it out tonight.
  • Work, working out has been crazy busy for me as well. It's catching up with me and frankly, I'm exhausted. Have to go out of town again next week and I'm dreading it!! Going to mess up my rides.

    Is anyone else feeling like they got run over by a bus? I love to ride, and the only thing I was thinking to myself today when I got on my bike was "I can't wait until this workout is over."
  • @Shannon - must agree with you on these wednesday bikes. Mine are done on the trainer every week and I can't stand them. Put a new seat on the bike so I kept getting off and playing with the seat. Fun times. Brick was uneventful. Just the work on the brick. No time for the rest. Looking forward to the long run tomorrow.
  • @ Shannon - Yep!  I know the feelin.  Some days I just don't want to do the workout.  But I still go and once I get started my attitude comes around.  Just keep plugging away.  I've also got a crazy week next week - 4 days on the road, different hotel each night, not sure what I'm going to be able to do.

    And the EN Kool Aid finally cracked me.  Couldn't take all the healthy eating any longer, broke down and had a Big Mac and fries for lunch - man was that good!!  But like Peter I broke 160 lbs this week, a weight I haven't seen since senior year of college.  Ok- so the Big Mac was my reward.

    Did the brick workout this am.  Made it thru ok.

    Stay healthy everyone.

  • @Shannon- Every Sunday afternoon I feel like I've been run over by a bus. I love to ride too, but I have likened Ironman training to a "Second Job" when I describe it to people. Somedays are fun and the time flies by, but most of the time its work and you just get it done. Don't get me wrong I enjoy it (just like I enjoy my job) but its a grind. You may want to post to the coaches about doing some "focus" weeks to correspond to your travel schedule. Like perhaps a Run focus week when your on the road, and then back that up when you're back with a bike focus week. And remember, when you're kicking ass in CDA in June you'll finally get "paid" for your second job (at least that's how I see it) image
  • good swim session today.  managed 1:36/100yrds pace for 500yards and then fell to 1:46 consistently until the end of the session.  still not doing sprints, since i am still getting comfortable with technique.  also tried what felt like hunching my shoulders in the water and it seemed to keep my speed constant with less effort.  that was cool.

    run is later, speed work.

    sending positive vibes out to the whole group!

    gh

     

     

  • Went back to the pool again today. Consistency, right?

    Spent some time working on the stroke itself and playing with some of the toys. I found that using the pullboy allowed me to swim much longer before I actually got tired. I felt like I could manage my breathing much better when I didn't have to fight sinking. So after the drill work, I would swim 100/yds with the pullboy and then 50/yds without it, rest 30 secs, repeat. I think I did this for almost 30 minutes. This is probably the farthest I have ever swam without major breaks.

    So my question is am I hurting myself using the pullboy? Won't I get the same effect from the wetsuit? I am tempted to totally geek-out and start bringing the wetsuit to the pool. At least once so that I can see if I do get the same effect.
  • @Shannon - Yes - I think at some point we all feel like we got hit by a bus....Keep up with your workouts as appropriate, but do remember that you actually get faster only if you recover well. So use your judgement...

    @Peter - Not a bad idea to get the wetsuit in the pool. If you haven't been in one much, a good way to get a feel for it. Just make sure to get the clorine out. On the pullbouy, while you can certainly use, it's clearly more work without one. I like to not use it and build up my endurance, knowing in the back of my head that the wetsuit will make it a little easier. Another benefit of not using the pullbouy is if you hit a race where you are not allowed to use a wetsuit - This happened at last years Eagleman 70.3 and lots of people were pretty concerned they couldn't go with the wetsuit. So maybe keep alternating and using it a little less each swim session...?

    I got on the Tri bike today for the first time since the Chicago Tri last summer. While I didn't hammer it and was only on for 70 minutes, the hamstrings held up ok, so another step on the recovery road taken. image
  • @ Peter - Pull buoy is better; I've been "swimming" with one for 30+ years, as I always hated to kick freestyle. Once I started doing tris (12 years ago), I realised practicing with a pull buoy was most like swimming in a wet suit. Coach Rich also spends the majority of his time in the pull with a p.b. Instead of a wet suit (which can make you VERY warm in a pool which is 81-84F), I use this Desoto Speed Tube to give the same effect.

    Just remember, with a pull buoy, to concentrate a bit on longitudinal rotation; roll from side to side, resist the temptation to stay flat in the water. You legs will then naturally move up and down a bit in a two beat straight leg "kick", just what you should be doing in the race in your wet suit.

  • @Al, @JT: Thank you both for you comments. This is what I enjoy about EN. I can get both sides of any topic and then decide what I think works best for me. I am going to take both of your suggestions. For now, since it helps me relax and be more comfortable in the water, I am going to continue to use the pull-boy. I think I will continue to use the method I laid out where I will swim N/yds with it and then X/yds without it. As time goes by I will increase the X and decrease the N.

    I am banking on CdA being wetsuit legal, and therefore being ready for that race. If not then I will do the best I can.
  • @Peter: X2 on using the pull buoy. This year I am using it probably 2/3 to 3/4 of the time. I'll occasionally switch it up just to make sure I don't lose the feel of the right body position/roll without it. However, even then, I am not really kicking propulsively (somewhat copying Rich's style). I think it is making a difference in my whole workout program in that I no longer feel wrecked after a swim session like I did last year. I think my pull is stronger and I am more relaxed and smooth in general in the water now that I am not trying to kick my a$$ off during most of my sets. Funny thing is that I am just as fast as I was last year. I have this sneaking suspicion that I will be faster in the water at IMCDA this year (but don't tell anybody).

    Will also echo Al's comments on making sure you roll with the buoy... it is easy to just swim flat which is a habit that won't serve you well on race day.

    As a caveat, I have heard of people who claim that their stroke is "kick-based"... I so don't understand that concept that they might as well be from another planet. I suppose it is easier for them to kick than pull?!
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