Joule stupid question.

tim cronk

OK first ride with Joule 2.0 today.  I set it all up , synched with Quarq , but couldnt for the life of me figure out how to actually start the ride.  All I got was current power and cadence.  No time, distance , or averages of anything were displayed or recorded.  I found how to pause a ride but not start one?  Help!    Tim,

Coach Rich

Read the manual and go through the setup process. Easiest if you set it up via Poweragent.

Yeah, we could probably walk you through it via a forum post but better if you read the manual. I've never read it but figured my way around the Joule by banging on it.

tim cronk

I rtfm . Like I said I couldnt find out how to do the most basic function of all and that is start the damn thing. I have the fields set up , date , info , blah blah blah but couldnt start the ride recording. Thanks for a ST answer.

Coach Rich

Since you are using this with a Quarq, do you have the speed sensor mounted and is it talking to the Joule? I imagine the speed sensor tells the Joule that the wheel is turning = gives it speed, tells the monitor that you're riding the bike = starts the timer, etc. You'll also need a cadence sensor (same as speed sensor but an additional sensor) if you want to pick up cadence.

Basically, all the Quarq unit is sending to the Joule is power information. Everything else (speed, time, distance) I imagine is a function of "is the bike rolling" and the Joule gets that information from the speed sensor.

Hopefully a Quarq owner will chime in...

Sorry, a quick read of your first post sounded like you only had two fields set up so rather than tell you how to config how many fields you want, how to change what's in those fields, it sounded to me like you hadn't read the manual so I said to read the manual

tim cronk

Well that almost makes sense. But I successfully paired it with the quarq power sensor and the only 2 data I am recieving is watts and cadence. Since I am recieving cadence I imagine they are the same sensor. Just the same I tried to pair it with the speed sensor and the cadence sensor both unsuccessfully.

Tom Glynn

it's got to be a Quarq or related sensor issue I would think. I have a PT. As soon as I power my Joule on by pushing either of the two buttons, mode or interval and start pedaling, I get data. All data fields start accumulating data. For me it's an all or nothing thing,; no watts or other data says my hub battery is dead. If nothing happens when I push the two buttons, it means the Joule battery is dead. Showing data but not recording says the memory is full and you need to delete rides.

Do you have a HR monitor? Is that collecting data? That may be an indication of Joule vs. Quarq.

tom

brandonsaid

The Joule will only start RECORDING data if it receives a signal for heart rate or speed. You get to choose in the start up menu. Without either of these it will only show you power and cadence which comes from the Quarq. I believe it will eventually go to sleep because it isn't receiving any additional data.

The best thing to do is to pair up an ANT+ cadence/speed sensor. You can purchase the speed sensor from Cycleops or I used my old Garmin Speed/Cadence Sensor. I believe you can purchase the Garmin sensor for about $35 on Amazon. The purpose is to not record cadence (comes from the Quarq) but to get speed which starts the Joule.

If you have a ANT+ heart rate monitor laying around you can use it to start recording watts, cadence, and HR until you get a speed/cadence sensor. The only problem with this is that it doesn't record distance and speed.

tim cronk

Thanks Tom and Brandon. All the reading I did on Joule and Quarq never mentioned the need for "something extra for it to work". Reviewing the Quarq and Joule websites again this am still do not reveal this info WTF. I fully expected to sync/pair Joule with Quarq which I did successfully by reading the manual. Then I fully expected to actually hit a start button and ride my bike. I did find the cadence/speed sensor on the Joule website. Now I need to buy something else and zip tie it to my bike . Rethinking going back to the garmin 310xt that I have which works just fine but I wanted to have a bike specific device that I didnt need to swap back and forth. Also I crashed my bike last year looking at my garmin on my wrist. This isnt supposed to be complicated.

tim cronk

Brandon or anyone acually, I do have an old Garmin cadence sensor. Does this do the job of speed sensor as well? I thought it was only cadence? thanks Tim,

brandonsaid

I felt the same way when I realized that I needed an extra part on my bike. Once I got it installed I don't really notice it anymore. I figure the Joule was designed for a PT Hub which provides power, cadence, and speed so there isn't any additional part required.

Is the Garmin sensor like this one... http://www.amazon.com/Garmin-Speed-Cadence-Bike-Sensor/dp/B000BFNOT8/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1303910005&sr=8-1

It just needs to be ANT+ and it will send the data to the Joule.

tgarson

No offense, but I'd try and knock it down a few notches, people are trying to help, and Rich did point out the problem in his second post (i.e. Joule has no start button, typically it relies on speed to start / pause / stop rides, which the Quarq does not transmit -- this wasn't an issue on your 310xt because it has GPS speed... and a start button).

In regards to your specific question about your old Garmin sensor, def. check what it looks like against the link that Brandon posted. If it is a GSC-10, that is an ANT+ combined Speed and Cadence Sensor and will work fine. The only caveat I've noticed is that the Joule is kind of retarded, when I pair a GSC-10 with the Joule it will favor the Cadence reading from my GSC-10 over the ANT+ cadence that your Quarq is already transmitting. That means you have to mount a magnet on your crank arm for the GSC-10 in addition to the magnet that is already adjacent to your bottom bracket for your Quarq, something that I find particularly asinine for some reason.

I honestly haven't seen a Garmin sensor other than the GSC-10, but if you have an older one than that, you need to make sure it is ANT+, secondly, some older ANT+ sensors are Speed OR Cadence, but not both. If it is one of those old ones, you can flip a little toggle switch from CAD to SPD inside of the battery compartment. But either way, since the Joule doesn't have GPS, you are going to want/need to put an ANT+ speed sensor on there.

tim cronk

@Trevor no offense taken. And your explanations were spot on. Thanks

I pay $100 per month to be a member, I purchased the Quarq and Joule through EN coach Rich. I don't expect Rich to know everything. But it was obvious he responded to my first post without reading it. He essentially admitted this and was very helpful on his second post .

Tom and Brandon posts got me going in the right direction thanks again.

I installed the garmin spd/cad sensor , the crank magnet , spoke magnet. Now we have added a Garmin part to the Quarq and Joule. So after trying to pair a cadence sensor , and a speed sensor unsuccessfully I finally found the add speed/cadence sensor and that finally paired. By this time I am so braindead I wasnt going back and activating the sensor so that took a few tries to figure out (that was at least in the manual). I'm sure the info I was lacking and looking for is in the manual or directions that come with the Joule cadence/speed sensor. If I only knew ? Again I went back to the Joule and Quarq websites and IMO this information should be loud and clear under the compatible with (additional cadence/speed sensor needed).

Thanks all Tim,

tgarson

Tim, valid point, forgot that the Power Meter sales through the coaches are advertised with support included.

Also, I agree fully about the Joule. I don't really blame Quarq on this one but they could definitely make it more clear. When the Joule first came out there were a lot of Quarq users coming from Garmin's who were kind of surprised and PO'd about the extra mandatory sensors required to get the Joule to work. It's pretty obvious that Saris/CycleOps built the Joule with preference towards PowerTap. Even though I don't find that surprising, I do find it pretty inexcusable given how much the Joule costs and how many they have sold to Quarq users. I'd wager it's a pretty sizable amount of Joule sales since a ton of people still used wired PT's and couldn't upgrade their computers even if they wanted to.

You mentioned you have a 310xt as well, and all and all I'm still a little torn between whether or not I love my Joule. I find having the real time IF, NP and TSS to be useful for long course race execution, but other than that I'd probably be happier just sticking with a Garmin for every day riding and training.