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How the heck do you swim faster?

2010 was my first year in triathlon, and my first time swimming. Had to learn to swim freestyle from scratch. I did the IM Louisville swim in the high 1:40's. My goal was simply not to drown, so I'm fine with that time.

I was hoping to get faster this year, but so far, it just ain't happen'. I feel like my form is pretty good; I've asked for evaluations from several of the lifeguards at the pool, and other swimmers that are way faster than me. They've offered some suggestions but no one has seen any glaring problems with my form (granted, these are just other swimmers, not coaches). And I don't really have an endurance problem. I'm just slow.

Are there any light bulb or "aha!" moments that anyone has had with regard to form, stroke, etc. that's resulted in a noticable improvement? I just feel like I must be doing something wrong, I don't understand how all the overweight 60 year old women at my pool can all be so much faster than me.

Jason

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  • I highly recommend private lessons from a qualified coach who will do a thorough stroke analysis. This should include video of you swimming from multiple angles above and below water. Some may disagree but I am a strong believer in swimming with a masters team. I am pushed so much harder with the group than I would push myself.

  • I agree with getting someone professional to analyze your stroke, but one thing that helped me immediately was pushing my weight forward of my fulcrum point to lift my legs and feel like I am swimming downhill. Getting my legs up really took a lot of drag away.
  • Concur completely on the suggestion to talk to a real coach. Lifeguards and other swimmers are likely to be talking out of an object that is not their mouth. If I asked you to swim 200 yards/meters three times with appropriate rest in between (a) as fast as you could; (b) moderate effort; and (c) at an easy effort, how different would the times be? If you are swimming the same times regardless of how much effort you put in, technique is likely the problem.
    That said, and I know this is EN heresy, but sometimes technique is not the limiting factor -- training time is. How often do you swim, and for how long? Are you just doing straight swims or interval sets? If you are doing interval sets, are you pushing hard or just cruising? Ultimately, if you want to swim fast, you have got to swim fast.
    Finally, those 60 year-olds may have been swimming competively since they were 10.
  • If you decide on a coach - try to find one that teaches triathletes. But I know how you feel. I'm just slow as well. Did two masters teams (including the one in Walnut Creek where the coaches are supposed to be really good), and several private lessons with a coach. All of them said my technique was good. Made very small tweeks, but I'm really not much faster. The private lessons helped the most.
  • Posted By David Lesh on 21 Jun 2011 06:00 PM

    I agree with getting someone professional to analyze your stroke, but one thing that helped me immediately was pushing my weight forward of my fulcrum point to lift my legs and feel like I am swimming downhill. Getting my legs up really took a lot of drag away.

    Can you explain this a little more? Having a hard time visualizing what you mean.



     

  • You want your body as close to horizontal in the water as possible to minimize the frontal surface area that you present to the water.  If you swim with your legs dropping below your torso, it increases drag.  If you swim "through a tube" with your head, shoulders, hips and legs all at the same level, you minimize drag.  Joe Friel's Triathlete's Training Bible has a pretty good illustration of this difference.

    One technique that some coaches teach to create the proper body position is to press down on the water with your chest.  If the chest goes down, the legs come up.  While swimming freestyle, push your chest and lungs toward the bottom of the pool. 

  • Don't overlook the theory that if you want to swim fast you need to swim fast. Technique is key but swimming and swimming hard makes you faster.

  • My swim career exactly overlaps my triathlon career...5 years. I'm probably a top 10-15% swimmer for my age group triathlete population. It's been a slow and steady progressive slog to get where I'm at. I've had private instruction, several short clinics, and several camps. They've all helped me. And it seems that there are so many things to work on in swimming that as I fix one issue, I gain new understanding of what my problems were that I previously did not understand. Clearly, I'm not a natural talent when it comes to swimming, but I do believe that I will continue to progress for several more years. Start with the private coach first. Then look for some weekend swim camps near you. Take at least one camp per year to maintain improvement and be sure that it includes videotaping. There's nothing like seeing yourself flailing on a DVD when you thought you were Mr Smooth.
  • An Ahhhh moment, took a few lessons myself laast year from a coach , see Matt's post .... good idea, anyway my stroke was to short. Not my reach forward but after I'd pull water my hand would exit just below the waist. Coach said push more ie lower thumb to thigh.
    That is about 6 inches I wasn't pushing. So I felt like I was swimming faster by my turnover rate but really wasn't going any where.

    My AHhh haa.....
  • Michael explained it well. If you think of your body as a seesaw in the water you would want to put more weight on the opposite side of your legs so that they ride higher in the water and you are not dragging them behind and below you. For many it feels like you are swimming downhill but obviously you want your body to be straight.
  • In Total Immersion they call it Pressing the Buoy. You can try looking that up.

  • Learning to swim later in life is very similar to learning to golf later. You can have good technique but the real timing and precision that produces the real power only happens over many, many, years. It's why these guys who grow up on the course and in the pool and who start early and compete early drive it 30 yards past me and lap me in a 500. It's why the 60 year old lady swims by you. They're playing a different game. Hard to explain other than they've spent lots and lots and lots of time doing it, with good technique. Nothing beats that.
  • That is so true Chris. I'll see these people come to masters who have a swimming background but haven't been in the water for years - all body types. They smoke me every time. More time in the water will get you there also but it's hard to juggle with the biking and running.

  • I think speed will come by itself when you get more used to swimming freestyle... In my first IM i swam 1:41...the second 1:43... The last three I have done @ 1.28, 1.25. and 1.18..and I'm hoping for a sub 1:10-1:15 this year

    I do very little swimming - maybe 3k/week and nothing in the OS... I hvae picked a few tricks along the way...but in reality, I think I just relax more...
  • As EN's resident slow swimmer girl, I completely agree with getting a good coach and going to master's team. Definitely try to find someone who teaches triathletes. If not, find the person who teaches little kids. In my last lesson, a noodle was involved. It was genius.

    So, if you can get lesson + master's team, you will have someone(s) watching you swim a lot. Balance is key, but you have to find you what is slowly YOU down. For me, I have a funny dead spot in my right arm stroke. It took quite a while for it to be identified.

    And yes, to just swimming -- and swimming long and swimming fast. And clocking lots of open water hours, because it is weird out there and easy to have something fall apart there that is quite fine in the pool.
  • Swimming is a funny sport, you will do workout after workout and never feel like you are improving. Then you will have one workout and viola you feel much faster. The only way to get to these AH-haa moments is to put the work in and with PROPER technique. If you are swimming without a coach's critique then you are learning to swim the wrong way. And you will get very proficient at swimming the wrong way. RnP don't push swimming very much because it is such a small percentage of the race. But if you want to improve, it takes a lot of pool time. Last year i was swimming twice a week with about a total of 7000 yards/week. Since December I have been swimming 3 times per week and about 10,000-12,000 yards/week. I can honestly tell you that the additional work has paid off, with a half ironman swim improvement of 3 minutes. But that is with good technique (i have been swimming since I was a kid). Would I have been better off using that time to work on my bike power? Probably. But once I have the improved techniques and the faster swim habits and the improved feel for the water, I won't loose it. I can work on improving my bike power this next OS!

    IOW- Get a good coach, spend more time in the pool doing the RIGHT work, be patient.

  • +1 on Masters.   Bonus if the Masters has a great coach like mine.  I swam in a lap pool for the first time in Jan 2010.  Masters pushes me to see what I'm capable of.  When you push yourself you can also 'expirement' with small changes in your technique/form to see how you can be more effieint in the water.  Datapoint of one, but it's worked well for me....I swam my last HIM 1.2 miles as sub 30 minutes.

  • I'll add that if you swim masters, learn the other strokes too. I really think it helps my freestyle through "feel of the water". I feel like I have more awareness of where I am and what I'm doing and how I'm interacting with the water. I have a lot more fun too than just doing FS all the time.
  • Common issues I see from new swimmers:

    1. Runners especially, tend to have tight ankles. Your toes should be pointing at the wall, not at the bottom of the pool. Toes pointing down is the equilavent of throwing up a sail on the bike. Kills momentum. Some people can actually kick with their toes pointed down and GO BACKWARDS! 

    2. Kicking from the knees: Your propulsion is being driven from your lower leg. Sometimes referred to as the runners kick. Your legs should be basically straight with only a slight bend, ie not locked out. Your kicking from the hips. Think a pair of swissors. Not running underwater.

    3. Poor body rotation, you should be rotating from the side when you swim 45 degree angle to 45 degree angle (ish). This is the propose of side balance and triple switch drills. Its puts the emphasis on body rotation. This also allows you to get long in the water = more speed boat and less tugboat.

    4. Leaving the tube. Think of the swimming as entering a tube. You need to stay long, alot of swimmers have their breathing stroke poorly times. In order to get their breath, they drop their elbow on the non breath side and flair out their leg (tripod) to stall momentum in order to get their breath.

    5. Head Position. You want your head in a neutral position and only your eyes roll forward to see. If the water level is hitting your fore head, your hips will drop causing huge drag.

    6. Not swimming enough. Swimming twice a week you can only get so fast. Swimmers are fast because at some point in their life they swim a ton of yardage. 30K+ a week for years.

    Feel free to throw up a video for people to review...

     

  • Excellent tips from everyone, especially Hayes. My notes:

    Get quality swim instruction, 1:1 is best, with underwater video.

    Swim fast to swim fast. Tweak the workouts, or write your own, so that you're whatever combination of interval length and rest so that you're swimming as fast as you can for a distance the length of which you can maintain your stroke. For example, last Friday Barry Plaga (EN athlete and good friend) did:

    15 x 150m, as 100 very hard, 50 easy, then rest about 10-15secs. Barry went 5" behind me and tried to catch me, I tried to stay away. If I had done a "normal" swimming set, of 100's, 200's, etc, I would have probably swam them all at about 1:28-30/100m pace. But because we gave ourselves plenty of rest (50 easy as active cool down + ~10secs on the wall between 150's), and did the 5" head start thing, I racked up 1500m at 1:20-22/100m pace, with a couple 1:18-19's in there. More importantly, I'm getting into muscle failure and strokes start to fall apart about 15m from the wall = just about perfect. I then get the volume in with the warmup (about 800-900m), a quick pull set after that main set, and we are always moving. We're never on the wall for longer than about 30", the time it takes to figure out the next set and go. This is how "real" swimmers do it, very little wasted time.

    I was a distance swimmer back in the day and looking back on how I trained, I wish I had done more stuff like this. Rather than 5 x 500 on 5:30, holding 5:20's and getting 10secs rest, and racking up 2500 at 1:06 pace, I wish I had done more sets like 20 x 150 as 100 hard, 50 easy, and racked up 2k at :57-58. I'm sure I would have been much faster.

    The net is that assuming your technique is about as dialed in as it's gonna get, swimming faster is about putting more power to the water. The best, most sport specific way to train your body to put more power to the water is to swim as fast as you can with the best form you can, then giving yourself enough rest so you can do that over and over again.

  • I have read this thread with great interest, since it seems my problem is very similar to Jason's.

    I am also completely self-taught in the swim department. I got into the pool for the first time as a "lap swimmer" in January 2010. The only instruction came from reading the total immersion book and watching the DVD. On my very best swim days I am mediocre in the speed department (28:00 is my PB in an oly). I also believe I have reached the point where further improvement is impossible without intervention.

    The takeaways I have from this thread are (1) real coaching is probably going to help, (2) swim hard to swim fast. I think there is probably something unspoken, which is that if you have a self-taught stroke (as I do) and it is flawed (which is likely), then swimming a ton is going to reinforce the bad habit so it is even harder to change later on -- the evil underside to the golf analogy.

    The tricky part is to actually implement any of this advice when (a) you don't like to swim and (b) the admin cost of swimming keeps you out of the pool and (c) the ROI on the other triathlon disciplines is still really high. Perhaps this will be my pre-OS focus this year.
  • @Matt: that's it exactly. Swimming lots and lots with poor form just reinforces poor form. Swimming slowly all the time never develops to increased power to apply to your form, even if it's poor.

    The swim sets I've written are EXACTLY the swim workouts that real swimmers do...though I've probably given everyone too much rest :-) Totally fine to drop the length of the intervals and give yourself more rest so you can swim faster, with the best form you can sustain for the length of the interval. IOW, 25's, 50's, or 100's, all day long, getting your volume in from swimming easy between repeats.
  • If you are a visual learner or just want to explore a FREE app and website then check out www.swimsmooth.com. It has some good tips and illustrations that will help make sense of body position, pushing down on your buoy (T chest), hand position, timing of breath, etc. I played golf when I was younger. Swimming like golf is very technique oriented because water is 1000 x more dense than air. You concentrate on one thing and everything else falls apart. Stay with it and if you learn to relax with proper breathing timing that was discussed in another thread you will progress!!
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