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Run Pace IMLP

Team and Coaches,

Have read all the info in posts and in the wiki and have listened to what RnP have said and am a little confused on run pace from IMLP so was hoping I can get some further guidance.

Background:  First IM, completed 20 week Dec OS Int flavor, 12 week IM Int Plan, VDOT 45 as tested in April, running always seems to be my weak link in races. Fastest run ever in HIM is 2:03, pre EN, all on hilly courses.

So, running seems to always be my limiter, maybe because I bike too hard, maybe because I suck at running. So anyway, have completed all long runs and looking at NGP for these average looks to be about 8:35 or so. My  long run pace as calculated by the Data Tool is 9:16.

In looking at all info I am confused at to what pace I should target. I seem to be reading/hearing different things. I know first 6 miles is 30 sec slower than race pace but what should my race pace look like?

9:16 LRP, 8:35 NGP for long runs (this seems a bit scary to me since have not even done that in HIM),or something else I read which was for weaker runner in IM like 75% or I think if calculates to 9:58/mile.

Just looking for some more guidance/reasoning behind suggestions.

Thanks to all.

 

 

Comments

  • IM Run Pace:

    • Calculate your Easy Pace from your VDot. This becomes your goal race pace
    • Miles 0-6: run at this E-Pace + 30" per mile. Basically jogging.
    • Miles 6-18: drop into E-Pace. More importantly, you're dropping into E-Pace and bouncing it off of the feeling of E-Pace that you should have a lot of experience with by now. You are running comfortably, getting what you need at the aid stations and conserving yourself for when it will get very hard at mile 18 or 22. You're not making anything happen, you're not going after the race, you're letting the race come to you. So, for example, if my E-pace is 8:37 and after running 6 miles at 9:15 I drop into an 8:37...and it just doesn't feel right...doesn't feel comfortable enough, my RPE/breathing doesn't quite jive with the 8:37 I know...I'll slow down to a pace that feels right, maybe an 8:50, for example. I take this for a spin and wait for the day. Maybe I'll go a little faster, maybe I'll go a little slow, but more importantly I'm conserving myself for the suck that will happen.
    • When it does happen, between 18 and 22, I'll have the physical and mental reserves/strength to keep running 8:45-50 vs slowing down. You've all done a ton of long runs. How easy has it been to get tired, bored, flake out, look down at your Garmin and see that you're suddenly running 20-30" slower than your goal? That effect is 100000x's worse in an IM. In my experience, what you do/don't do in the 18-22 miles before that effect really has little to do with your final time. IOW, if I choose to stick with the 8:37's vs the 8:50's that feels more right, over 12 miles (mile 6-18) I gain...3 whole minutes on my convervative self. But it is sooooooo easy to give back 9' just by slowing down 50"/mile in the last 8-10 miles. 50"/mile slower at the end of an IM is nuthin'. 80% of the athletes out there will slow down much, much more than that.

    IMLP is different, however, in that you have significant periods of uphill and downhill. You just have to do the smart guy thing here. You know what "jog easy down/up this hill" is, regardless of what your pace actually is/has been affected by the hill. For me, the true test is "am I running comfortably, getting what I need, and conserving myself for The Suck that will come? Or am trying to make something the happen, bring The Suck upon myself sooner than I should?" If the answer is yes to the later...I slow down.

  • Bill:

    Rich has summarized the pacing and the strategy.

    I would encourage you to select a pace to start, that is SUPER easy.  forget about what your pacing has told you in training and simply select a pace that doesn't seem 'scary'.  in other words, a pace that you know for sure you could manage for 6miles. 

    after that do as Rich outlines, all the while knowing that just by continuing to run (no matter how slow). you will be making up a ton of time by the time you get to the later miles.  in other words, don't get down on yourself if at mile 8 you can't go any faster and are 'stuck' at the SUPER easy pace of the first 6miles.  at mile 8 that pace might not feel so easy.  at mile 20 that pace will actually be much faster than everyone else around you!

    Have a great race.

    GH

  • Awesome advice guys, thanks!
  • And, Bill, just to reiterate the points made above and make it very simple for you: JKR. Just Keep Running. No matter how slowly. Really. Even if the pace you see is not what you had planned, seems ridiculously slow to you, just keep running anyway. You will pass a TON of people who look down, see 11:00 minutes per mile and throw the towel in. Not you, you will continue to put your 11:00 minute (or 12:00 or whatever they are) miles, one after another, until you cross that finish line. As my 3 kids like to remind me: There is no walking in triathlon. It is Swim, Bike, and RUN! Ha! So keep the JKR mantra in your head.

    ---Ann.
  • Posted By Ann Frost on 13 Jul 2011 12:54 PM 

    There is no walking in triathlon. It is Swim, Bike, and RUN! Ha! So keep the JKR mantra in your head.



    ---Ann.





     

    Ann - I love that!  That's gonna be stuck in my head for a long time - in a good way!

  • I've started putting together my race plan and the timing of this summary is perfect! Thanks!
  • Thanks all! Great thread. Especially Ann's comment...
  • Ann, love it!
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