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week of 8/1; 6 weeks to go

Great to see so many of you in Madison this past weekend!  I'm glad I got 4 more loops done and feel pretty good about the course.  I wish I could say my expected finish time will be better but now that I've done it in RR mode (albeit it with tired legs, on a borrowed and heavier bike), I'm expecting a 14-14.5 hour day.  Ugh...  

I survived 102 miles Sat (with a 30 min run) and another 84 Sun (with a 35 min run)... because of my foot and my flight schedule I nixed a workout on Sunday.

My quads were shot so I took Mon off as well.  Luckily it was a telework day so I hung around my house in my compression recovery tights and spent some time stretching my foot.

I'd planned to try to jog yesterday after work but saw Coach P's note (and saw R's today) about getting ourselves set for theTh run... so I skipped it.  I'm kinda worried about my foot.  I had PF in my left foot this winter and now it's creeping up in my R.  Bad timing! 

Sleep has been my priority... so when the alarm went off at 6 I reset it and went back to bed.  I'll try to do the hour ride on the drainer tonight.  3x5x30/30... if that's too hard, it'll turn into a Z2 ride.  No big deal.  Will probably skip the brick and shoot to do the 2.5 hour run tomorrow (hopefully I can do the intervals, if not, oh well... will take R's advice and just get the volume in).  I plan to tape my foot and hope that helps.  If all goes well I'll get in the pool tomorrow after work and again Friday.  Odds are good I can get the 3rd swim in over the weekend.

I hope everyone else is recovering well and getting it done.  9/11 will be here in no time! 

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  • Thanks for keeping the count of the weeks! I suck at keeping track of where we are .

    Monday: 3km swim at the Rose Bowl. Solo, mix of fast and long stuff. No running.

    Tues:

    • Run: Very good 9.5 mile run with my friend Marvin. Been running with him for years but not for a while, as our schedules haven't meshed. We have a fun ~2 mile very hilly section that we do in the middle of this run. Last week I ran 20:01 by myself for this bit. With Marvin I ran 18:20, or about 7:3x pace vs about 8:15 pace last week...pays big to have a good training parnter! Legs pretty worked from the weekend but psyched that I could still get this done.
    • Swim: Then I drove to the Bowl and did my first 3800m TT since IMCDA'08. All pull as legs were totally blasted and would have been cramping big time. Went 57:14, solid 1:30/100m pace. Very, very even split, but I just got bored and dropped off the pace by about 20-30" for the second half.

    Wed:

    • Chantry Flats TT with Rich Sawiris of Wheelbuilder. 3.2 miles at 6.7% avg grade. Went 17:27 at 326w. 13 sec and 6w PR from last week. Rich beat me by about 12 seconds. Closest I've come to puking at the top of that hill in a long time. I then rode flat do the dam (also flat) to do some flat, aerobar intervals. 6' into my first one...just ain't gonna happen. Too shelled. I had also removed the last spacer from the aerobars, so down about another cm. Was trying to sort it out (stopped to lower saddle a hair). Thinking I'll put it back and call it good.
    • Swim: 6 x 400 pull on 30" rest, holding 1:27/100m pace on all vs my 1:30 RR pace. Felt good, swim is coming around. Then 5 x 150 as 100 hard, 50 easy, but started to get bonky after the third one. Just cruised another 300m and called it a day. About 3800, for the day, I think.
    • Run: bailed to set up a good run today.

    Thurs:

    • Long run: I have a lot of fatigue in my legs and am driving towards at 15k/300/45 training week so...no intervals for me. Instead I did this as a total race sim run: 6 miles at 8:45-8:50 pace, then 12 miles at 8:15-20 pace, with 20" walking every mile. Aerobically very comfortable, was totally recording the RPE of my pace (breathing, stride, cadence rate, etc) in my head, for use on race day. Hips and hip flexors started to bother me in the last ~5 miles. See bike fit stuff above, probably a good call to go back to what's not broke...
    • Recovery: Big Ass Smoothie, ice bath, stretching, lay on couch, straffe forum, will have lunch with Joanne and then work at a tea shop the rest of the day. May go to Walgreens and buy some bitchin' compression socks :-)

    Friday: want to repeat the 3.8k swim, but swim it vs pull this time, so see how I do. Then 5-6 mile run and 2.5-3hr flat aerobar ride, to see how the neck and back do after the swim.

    Saturday: 112/6 with a couple EN guys/training plan athletes training for IMCA and Lou. Will give them a head start and ride near my goal watts for IMWI of ~220-225w Pnorm. 6 mile run as 3mi @ E+30" then dial in my goal pace of 8:15-20.

    Sunday: AM 6 mile run, then likely ~3-3.5hrs climbing ride.

    ...and the wheels on the bus go...

  • Even though I only made it to camp Saturday, it was good to see the team out on the course and at Rich's talk. I'm pretty sure I did the least training of anyone at camp last weekend however riding and doing the run in heat was a very good reminder for me. I didn't have any issues and was actually pretty close to my targets considering the weather (10 watts low on the bike, and 9" per mile slow on the run). But I did fade pretty bad in the last hour of the ride and also at the end of my run. Plus I had some bad legs cramps afterwards while listening to Rich's talk.

    Lesson's relearned:
    - I must pay attention to how warm it gets on the bike and adjust my power targets and nutrition, otherwise I'll be in trouble before the run even starts
    - Don't forget the salt pills at home
    - Don't listen to the weather man
    - Forget about holding my best case scenario pace on the run if it is over 90 out
    - I still hate G and 92, but at least I know that I'm only on G for about 12 minutes and 92 for about 14 minutes, so I can start counting down once I get on them.
  • I should learn never to read forums on workouts right after Rich has posted.

    I should furthermore learn never to post on forums on workouts right after Rich has posted... :-)

    Mon: Swim only, good session, something like 4500 yds

    Tues: Swim about 3500 in speed work mostly (having flipped the Mon/Tues swim workouts cuz I was tired from the camp). Threshold miles weren't going to happen. Easy run with some strides thrown in was good, though, about 45 min.

    Wed: Quads at the beginning of the ride felt a-fire, and I don't mean that in a good way. But seemed to warm up to a reasonable degree pretty well. Got the 30/30 sets done, clamped down in the bars, all at or above proscribed power, and that was very encouraging. 4 mi brick run that went from EP to HMP also felt very good.

    Thu: I probably paid some for having had a good Wednesday. Long run started fine. Understandably slow warmup. I decided to do the 30 min of "speed" as 4 x 1 mi, rather than 3 x 10 min, and all those were between MP and HMP (sub 7:00). But after that, I was pretty spent and had to (to use Rich's phrase) mail in the rest of it. I made a stupid math error and ended up going about 20 mi in about 2:45 overall. I did NOT negative split the run, so that was a little discouraging, but I'll live with it.

    Fri: My intention is to do a good hard swim and skip the run in order to have the best day possible on Saturday. My run is in better shape than my bike, and under the circumstances the Sat ride has to have higher priority than a "frequency run", which is what I think the 40 min run with Strides on Friday is.
  • WJ, I'm in that lovely place where I can't get comfortable sitting because hips ache, knees ache a bit, etc. But feet don't hurt, a first. Everything just...buzzes...but I can feel the diesel engine building so I'm just rolling with it. 112 on the LA bike paths followed by a 6mi run will suck. I very well may push a rec cyclist or cholo walking a pitbull on a fence chain into the ditch...I hates the paths that much.

    IOW, at this point I'm on the razors edge but seem to be adapting and continue to plug along. On a mid afternoon coffee drip right now...

  • Work schedule didn't allow me to follow Rich's suggestions. So, my legs are tired. My ITB has been tender after my 7 mile run on tuesday. The 7m run, harder tempo run. Wed: 50 m bike-tempo bike due to heat. Thurs: 70 m interval bike, ITB at the knee now is tender. Icing.

    Heading into weekend w/ Long run; swims; possible local sprint tri to support local boys/girls club.
  • Camp weekend was wonderful - it was so great to meet everyone (and see familiar faces from our informal camp over Memorial weekend) - makes me really feel like part of the team now!!  V. cool.

    Ahhh - Monday completely off - slept in - life was good!

    Tuesday - went to do a swim at the Y ... hmmm, it sure seems like there is lots of chlorine in the pool (they redid the pool vents 2 years ago which required draining the pool ... would have been a good time to go salt water) ... ask the life guard (yup, his eyes are burning) ... bag the swim just as I was getting into it ... didn't want to suck chlorine fumes into my lungs for an hour.    Turns out there was an "accident" on Saturday and they had to shock the pool - could smell chlorine even outside of the building.  Must have been a sign that I needed the day off but the admin time sucked.

    Wednesday - bike on the drainer - love the 30/30s, good brick run, core work.

    Thursday - long run went well - a little hard to warm-up but settled in and got all of the intervals done - although was ready for it to be over at 2 hours.  Started out with temps of 62 degrees (yes, 62 degrees!) but still really high humidity.

    Friday - TRX class this morning - it's been almost two weeks since I've been  and can tell!  LOVE this class - its given me so much core strength that my back no longer bothers me on the bike.  Going to check out the pool again today and get the run in afterwards!

    Saturday/Sunday - looking forward to some strong bike rides - not on the IM course - but West of the course on Saturday - preparing for Dairyland Dare 200k next Saturday.

    Have a great weekend!

  • my long run yesterday was brutal... I was outside for a total of about 3.5 hours - granted I stopped my watch a lot to take stretch breaks, refill bottles, and walk a bit here and there. it wasn't my legs, it was my feet; both of them. I got it done (had to get home) but with only ever so slightly more mileage than when I did the 2.25 on the mill feeling fine (and hitting all my target zones).

    I stretched, rolled my feet and calves, iced my feet... and slept in my calf socks. Feeling better today but the feet are achy.

    At this point I am worried beyond belief about a DNF. We shall see. I'll continue to do the PF stretches I know and the stuff Michelle showed me, continue seeing the ART/Graston guy... and hope. Argh. I don't want to be a midnight finisher after having such a great 1st time race in FL... but it will be what it will be. Rather finish than DNF.
  • @Becky - Hang in there - do all the good stuff to help your feet - we're pulling for you to heal quickly!
  • @Rich - Had to laugh... haven't heard the word Cholo in Iowa very often. (I grew up largely in San Gabriel, so cholos were rather prevalent then!)
  • @ Becky - Take care of the feet. A bit of fitness is nothing compared to foot injury. You can finish if you can ride and walk/jog. But you can't finish if you have to get off your feet entirely. Seems like that points to what is priority 1. Priority 2 is definitely fitness, but be good about doing what you need to to get better!
  • Posted By William Jenks on 05 Aug 2011 09:30 PM

    @Rich - Had to laugh... haven't heard the word Cholo in Iowa very often. (I grew up largely in San Gabriel, so cholos were rather prevalent then!)



    Yep...later in the day, when you're at mile 90-95 of 112 and the temps rise ~1degree every mile in the 35 miles from the beach back to you're car, the paths and full of rec cyclists, kids on BMX bikes, shady doodes walking big ass pitbulls, etc. Yeehaw

  • @ Becky, lets meet in T2 and we can hobble the run together. Oops, I forgot Rich said not to meet up with friends. My ITs have been causing me problems lately. I just started seeing an ART guy as well. I am being optimistic that I can keep moving on the run but might be slower then expected. Don't dispare, you still have time.
  • Becky-

    Not sure the entire issue but my neighbor is a Podiatrist and speaking with him he said if it is your Plantar Fascia band then to get it injected at a minimum two weeks prior to our race.  He said cause the injection will stir things up in there for a day or two and then it starts to work its magic

    Also if the treadmill is easier on your feet then do all your long runs on it.  You are still getting your mileage in and much less pain.

    Just some food for thought.  We will get you through this

  • Got through a pretty strong weekend. Very good Saturday ride. Decent enough today, but nothing to write home about, but followed it with what felt like a very strong brick run.

    Looks like we have testing next week.

    I'm not sure how seriously to take the results of the bike test. I'm pretty confident of my current FTP. If I don't manage to ride quite that high on Tuesday, I don't think it's going to tell me anything other than that I am fatigued or maybe just not quite trained up for that particular exercise (the 2 x 20) right now. On the other hand, if I (or anyone) tests up from where we thought we were, I guess that's meaningful for the same reason...managing to test up DESPITE current fatigue and not having focused on that kind of interval much.
  • Finished the weekend with a Sprint Tri and Long run here's how it went down:

    Saturday: Local Sprint tri: Swim 800meters:17.5m rollers; 5K (16:10; 53:11:24:40) These are slow times for me but given the training these past 2 weeks my legs feel like logs. Swim: Focused on my box, counting strokes, staying smooth: Bike FTP 183 avg speed 19.6; FTP usually is closer to 200 but legs seemed shot: Run: Red-lined it on the gas; 85-90 cadence 8:01 pace again slow. On the bike: Focused on cresting hills, peddling down hills, going hard on turns keeping my speed (that's uncomfortable for me)

    Sunday: My plan was an 18m run. . However that was not how the day turned out. Left early due to heat. 2.5hrs 13 miles later (95%humidity; 90 degree) all water fountains turned off in parks (I don't know why); no place to purchase water (hence the running thru parks part which will be amended); dehydrated-seriously considered knocking on random persons door to get water. I carry water and had refilled partly at church via mile 4 just to play it safe. Turned up snake eyes when I passed the house for 2nd lap and headed inside, legs cramping. Took gels as well. Man vs Wild had a show on how to drink your own sweat. . . but I missed that episode. Ready for the heat advisory crap to end.

    I'm finding it difficult to gain confidence in my training with experiences like what happened today. Factors like the heat over the past 5 weeks (record setting here of 93-107 every day) that impact my ability to train hard or the output vs effort. Believing in the training and effort when the training numbers are down ie FTP or pace on the run (I'm thinking of the data about heat and how it effects performance regardless of fitness).
  • thanks! Mary - if I see you, you're on! :-) We'll get through it.
    No run testing for me this week. I will probably skip the brick today (riding after work). I may try to jog Th in lieu of test but we'll see how it goes. I'm going to do the long ride Sat and doing my annual OLY Sun - for fun... if I have to walk the 10k, I'll walk the 10k. Wish the race didn't fall here in my calendar but it was my first OLY and I've done it every year since - with the friend who did it with me that first time (this weekend will be his GF's first tri, too)... so it will be a pretty fun time. Just another training day for me.

    Good tip, Carl (thanks for talking to your friend). I had 3 injections in my other foot and man oh man did they hurt - but to be honest, I didn't think they helped - the ART/Graston is what finally did the trick. But, if, in 3 weeks I'm still having trouble it might not be a bad idea to try.
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