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HIM before IM question

 I am preparing for IMAZ and am considering doing a HIM in early October.  I have read the Wiki which states this is not a great preparation for an IM but it has been 4 months since my last HIM race.  What are the thoughts of the EN team who have done this as part of the IM training plan?

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  • I've done a HIM leading up to both of the IM races I have done. 7 weeks prior to my first IM and 6 weeks prior to my second IM. The sacrifice is some training time since you're probably not going to do a 2.5 hour run and a 5 hour bike ride that week. You'll want a mini-taper. I got my usual S/B/R workouts in on Monday - Thursday, with the exception of the long run (I just used the 13.1 mile HIM run as my long run that week). I just took it easy on Friday and Saturday. Race on Sunday, Monday off, light workout on Tuesday and back to it on Wednesday. I feel completely recovered from a Sunday HIM by Thursday.

    Plus, racing is the fun part in all this. I liked using a race to break the training monotony.

    An early-October HIM should be in that 6 week window prior to IMAZ. I'd be okay with a HIM 5 weeks out from a IM. I probably wouldn't do one later than that though.

    Just my $.02.
  • The general advice around here is not to do it within the last 8 weeks. I did one this year 7 weeks out with very, very little taper, but there's no getting around it setting you back the week after. In the end, it worked out well for me, but I wouldn't want to do it 5 or 6 weeks out.

    Bob, evidently, recovers faster than me. :-) There is guidance in the self-coached-athlete part of the Wiki, but the bottom line is to get yourself back into the swing of things by the following weekend. If you can do that, you're probably fine. But remember the pattern of the plans: weeks 7-9 are the peak; week 10 is pretty much a "normal" week, which amounts to starting taper, and weeks 11-12 are obviously taper. You really don't want to do anything to put those weeks in jeopardy. Having week 6 pretty much normal lets you transition into 7-9 more easily.

    But if you're aware of what you're doing, you can figure it out and be ok!

    Have fun!
  • Hm. What are your goals for Arizona? To finish? To win? To have fun? Generally, a HIM is not worth doing at that point because of recovery time, but if you are itching to race that might be something worth considering. You could also do a swim/bike/done or treat it as a big day.
  • Usually, when someone writes something like "but it has been 4 months since my last HIM race", they really mean one of two things

    1) they're afraid they might have lost some fitness since then, and think that testing it in an HIM would be a good idea, or

    2) they think that they'll have lost their 'racing edge' since the last race

    both of these are common concerns, but need to be mitigated by being talked down off the ledge. You don't need to race to be ready to race an IM. and your fitness will be what it will be, optimized by following the plan.

    Of course, you could be one of the rare athletes who posts that for the third reason, which is "racing is fun, this whole IM thing is just a game, and not doing the HIM would be a disappointment to me because of (insert reason here)". In which case, go for it, and don't let anybody change your mind just because there's a plan that somebody wrote...
  • My 2 cents - HIM is not really at all useful as prep for an IM.

    Save the money...do an extra RR if you want!
  • I agree with Stephen. I've never found that HIM is a good prep race for an IM, in fact because they are really such different races I think it can be negative to use one to prepare for the other. If this is a I want to race cause it's fun and I need some mojo, you might be better served tossing in an Oly or Sprint which would not really interrupt your training at all.
  • I'm not really qualified to answer this as I have not done this.  I've stuck to the never do an 1/2 IM in the 8 week window.  If your IM is your A race for the season the recovery will hamper your IM training most likely.  If you want to race just to have fun and race then go out.  As Mike pointed out don't do it for other reason. 

    Gordon

  • "Early October" means week 7 or 6 before the IM AZ. The most important workouts in the training plan are the two Race Rehearsals. The first one is scheduled for Oct 8th. These are 112/6 hours of biking AND 6 miles/1 hour of running (whichever is less.) An HIM is not a good substitute for this - not enough biking and too much running to get the information needed to help guide the remainder of the IM prep. While the RR's do provide some fitness gains, the knowledge gains from testing race nutrition, pacing, and mental impact are critical. I've trained for ~20 IMs now, and I still value the RRs as more useful to me at weeks 6 and 3 to go than an HIM would be. I love to race, and I've tried doing HIMs 3 weeks and 8 weeks before an IM. I will be doing a well planned RR rather than an HIM on Oct 8 (or 9) as I prep for IM AZ.

    To get my race mojo going, I'll be doing an Olympic distance (or maybe an HIM, depending on how fatigued I feel) on Sep 24 or 25.

  •  Thanks for the feedback.  IMAZ will be my first IM and i was looking to work on my transition process and "have fun" but i think it will be prudent to save the travel time and focus on the RR that is scheduled for this week.  I may see if there is a Sprint or OLY hear in GA that may work to have some fun before the IM race.

  • Along those lines....I am going to be spending 10 days in Phoenix at the end of October. Basically the end of week 8 and all of week 9. While there, I was planning a big training block. There is a HIM there on 10/23 (exactly 4 weeks prior to race day - last day of week 8). I was considering doing it because the swim is in Tempe Town Lake and the run is basically on the same course. I was planning on doing everything per IM plan up to race day except long run. That includes the 4.5 hour ride on Saturday. I have to take Monday off anyway because I'm tied up all day with something else. Come Tuesday I was planning on starting the big week which would conclude with my 2nd race rehearsal on Saturday the 29th. I figured the race would just be my normal 3 hour ABP ride with a swim thrown in and a long run, but with IM execution.

    The reason I'm thinking about this is because I have not raced all year. And I won't have a race prior to IMAZ if I don't do this one. It's just been a crazy year with my new job and move to Alaska. Conflicts have prevented me from scheduling any races. Thoughts?
  • Andrew, know you're new to the area. here's a good one http://gamultisports.com/tugalootriathlon/ It's put on by a great RD, usually has a very good turnout, lots of the locals try to peak for this one. Pretty tough/hot course. Looks like it would fit into your IMAZ timing, too.

  •  i saw that one but bought tix to the PGA tour championship ont he same day....trying to earn SAU's for the haul to IMAZ!!!!

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