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Pre-OS Big Bike Month?

I've decided to take 2012 off from long-course and focus on improving speed for 2013 (and accumulate a year's worth of SAUs...).  I'm probably going to start the OS in January, but would very much like to get significantly stronger on the bike in the next 12 months so was contemplating doing a very bike-focused month of November or December in advance of the OS.  Haven't really figured out what this might look like, but was thinking 5x per week bike for 4-6 weeks with weekends off. Anyone done something like this prior to starting the OS and, if so, did it work?  Suggestions on structure?  I was thinking simply taking the bike sessions from the OS and doubling up on a couple of them each week to get the total up to 5.  My only hesitation is the possbiity of putting myself in a hole prior to starting the OS, but could work a two-week transition period beteween them pretty easily which I think should let me recharge my batteries a bit.  Thoughts??

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  • The best way to improve FT is to ride at or near FT. It's mentally really, really tough as we all know, but there is no magic in getting stronger on the bike. The more the better.

    My 2 cents.
  • I'm doing the same thing and just wrote up a schedule using the Adv OS for 12 weeks. I went with Mon, Wed, Fri & Sat. Doing the OS workouts Mon&Wed, a 80-85% or 85-90% long intervals on Fri and group ride on Sat for fun. I'll run if I feel like on the off days with no plan and no more than 1 hour. I'm starting with FTP test tomorrow & if I looked at the calendar right I will finish week of Dec 4th. I'll transition until Jan OS starts. Also, I will include more yoga/stretching/flexibility & core work. Hope this helps.
  • Whatever you choose, do not neglect taking some real down-time after your season ends. Last year I foolishly thought I could keep my bike fitness rolling right through the winter and into this year; I wound up in a hole that poorly affected this entire season.

    The OS is plenty tough enough by itself; don't add in underlying fatigue!
  • Tyler,

    A couple thoughts:

    1)   I'd go to the wiki and read the focisify documents here http://members.endurancenation.us/R...fault.aspx

    Given that it's going to be trainer work for you in Nov/Dec I'd go with additional frequency and or intensity.  I'm not sure with the OS intensity that doing 5 workouts in a row is good with the weekends off, but if this is what you have to work then it is what it is. 

    You could also through in the big bike week somewhere warm but this would nullify the SAU's you are trying to accumulate.

    2)  Maybe this could be directed at Matt more than you as he plans 12 weeks, but ensure that the body is not adapting.  By this I mean that after 6-8 weeks the the body had made adaptations to the stresses we are putting on it thus the switch from FTP to vo2 work in the OS. 

    Find where your limiter is and work on that.  I'll have to find the test that was done in the past but IIRC it was a 5 minute all out test, then a 20' test.  The 5' FTP was divided by the 20' to give a ratio.  If <1.22 you were a good candidate for more vo2 work raising the roof, more 2.5/2.5 stuff.  If you cranked out large 5' power vs the 20' or >1.22 then you should concentrate more on the FTP stuff. 

    As you mentioned and Bill pointed out watch the burn out especially the long winter on the trainer. 

    Gordon

  • I guess my question goes out to the WSMs as much as to Tyler. Other than having a great time in pounding out some heavy bike miles and days, what would be the purpose of a big bike focused month going into the OS? I would think that the training effect would be long gone once you came out the other side of the OS. And for myself, I would be concerned that the result for me would be the same issues that Bill raised.

    However, I suspect there are benefits that perhaps I am missing.
  • I too am taking 2012 off from triathlon, and plan on having a bike focused year. Here's my tentative plan:

    - OS plan start Nov. Perhaps replace 1 of the running days with a bike day instead, more of a medium flavor between the hard hard weekday bike and the hard long weekend bike.

    - Post OS recovery week

    - Big bike month focusing on long and hard rides

    - Taper week

    - 200K race May 5

    - Recovery week

    - Big bike month #2

    - Taper week

    - 200K race June 23

    - Recovery week

    - Big bike month #3 with VO2max work included for first 3 weeks

    - Taper week

    - 300K race August 11

    - Recovery week

    - Schedule-less training until OS start in November

    The reason for doing the big bike month after the OS is to make sure that I've raised the roof before trying to raise the attic. Pretty much this discussion on improving the fatigue curve is what drove my plan (http://members.endurancenation.us/Training/TrainingForums/tabid/101/aft/7007/Default.aspx). My ultimate goal is to improve my HIM/IM bike.

  • I would concentrate on power, not volume. Iow, do 100%+ stuff, with lots of recovery on off days. Cyclocross racing is great for that. But 4x a week etc prior to the very significant work contained in OS sounds hyper ambitious. Lift heavy, short hard efforts with lots of rest in between. You can then get "cut" in the OS with extended intervals, etc.
  • Tyler

    Due to a foot injury and my inability to run, I'm currently focused on just getting stronger on the bike. Here is what my schedule looks like:

    3x 2x20min @ FTP
    1x VO2/FTP (Group Ride)
    1x Easy/Recovery/Tempo Ride (I don't do this all the time)

    All my rides are ~1 hour except for the group ride ~3-4 hours. That's 4 days of riding hard and 1 easy day. There is no real structure as to which day the workout will be completed. Just wake up and decide while warming up. When you don't have to run its amazing how fast you can recover from a hard bike session. Already seen some good gains in 3 weeks.

    To be honest, all this bike work is great but I wish I could keep running.
  • Great stuff here. To not lose the initial thread, the bike miles just before an OS are less about getting faster right now and more about getting faster by piling the miles on over a few years. My 400 mile week isn't just about Kona, it's about continuing annual volume pushes about once a quarter...it all adds up to making you faster/stronger over the long term...
  • My 2¢ on the original question: What should I do in advance of January to be able to best take advantage of a 20 week OS meant to make me FASTER, leading into a year in which I do NO long course triathlon?

    1. Make sure you have specific race goals for 2012 - Olympic distance races, maybe try to qualify for USAT nationals, or compete in a regional USAT championship. Or do an dedstination or bucket list shorter tri, like Escape from Alcatraz, Alpe d"Huez, etc.

    2. Use Oct and Nov to DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT on the bike, like get into cyclocross, mountain biking, or do an extended (1-2 weeks) bike tour sompelace warm or exotic.

    3. Spend the chaotic holiday season (Mid-end December) doing high intensity short bike trainer and run interval workouts - Strides, VO2max stuff, etc.

    20 weeks in our OS is more than enough time to drive one batty if you try to do a serious "Pre-OS" period of intense training. Unless of course, you're like those of us who have been training more or less full time for a decade or more, and have already gone over the edge.

  • @Tyler:

    To your question, I tend to agree a bit w/ Al. I did Oct OS this past year, and did a HIM (Oceanside) in very early April. Since then have been doing SC racing on the Adv and Int SC plans here. The plans are quite enough to have you ready to race consistently -- in coming up to the end of my racing year, I'd say that the impact has been more or less like doing 4 mos OS, 2 mos LC/HIM training, and then another ~6 mos of OS via the SC plans. There's no need to start hammering too early, believe me, you'll be plenty shelled by doing a full year of FTP/VO2 training in OS and SC plans.

    If you just want to maintain bike fitness before your OS start, you can do lots of things, but I'd highly suggest doing stuff you find fun ('cross, MTB, long low stress rides w/ friends, signif other(s) or training partners, etc.) and leave your gagets at home; avoid the trainer as long as you can. I would also highly reccomend getting physically healed up if you have any nagging issues and get yourself mentally fresh.

    IMO, there's no need to be hammering away when you are ~6mos away from a short course racing season.

    Be smart, periodize your training and year and you'll have better results!

  • I agree with Al's take too. I misread your post and thought you meant ALL of triathlon, if you're still doing sprints and olys, the OS will definitely give you enough of a bump without the need to add serious volume before the start of it. OS should put you in stellar shape for hard short volume of short course. I think the detriment of the hole you might dig, both mentally and physically, would outweigh any minimal increase you might see by doing so much hard biking beforehand. I'd question whether you'd actually finish the OS, as written, with this kind of an add-on to the front end.
  • @Al O I think there are some benefits to the bike focus for 4-6 weeks.  In particular you can get in consistenly 4-5 bikes a week while doing run mainenance only.  The focisify wiki covers the three volume, frequency and intensity.  We already get a lot of intensity in the OS so the bike focus looks at frequency and perhaps volume if in a warm climate.  I also mentioned looking at the intensity that is an issues for you personally either FTP of vo2 max.   

    I believe in Tyler's case this is all about pushing up the FTP over a 18 months to go for a fast IM in 2013.  In my experience pushing up the FTP is harder than recovering lost FTP points from a break.  So any increase you can get will for the most part be easier to get back, except that final 5-10 watts.  

    Gordon

  • Thanks everyone for the great feedback. Still not entirely sure what I'm going to do given the divergence of opinions on the subject, but will likely end do some non-trainer bike work for the next couple of months without much in terms of a rigid schedule and see where that gets me. As Coach P and Gordon correctly identified, my goal isn't necessarily to get faster for 2012 but to increase my overall volume and FTP over the course of the next 18 months to eventually increase my speed on a cumulative basis. I can't think of another way to do this beyond simply adding more time on the bike. Thanks again.
  • @Tyler

    You could certainly post the question to the Macro Thread in the General Forum and get RnP to weigh in as well.
  • @Tyler - just a parting thought.  I took a year off from long course racing and had a blast. I only raced local triathlons and got to know the other triathletes in my area and will probably do the same again next year. The OS alone is enough to prep for up to Olympic.

    Also, remember, we do this for fun. Try and get some social rides in and connect with other like-minded athletes, which will do wonders for your sense of community among the athletes in your area. People learn about us by word of mouth via social networks as you make new acquaintences. Would like to know how you decide!

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