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10 Weeks To Go

Deep breath! I'm getting simultaneous feelings of not having enough time left/work done for an IM in ten weeks AND starting to feel fatigued after 60 hours of training/2700 TSS points (bike&run only) in the last three weeks. I need to be REAL careful this week to not fall over the edge.

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  • You are a freakin' animal. Here I felt pretty good about 200 bike miles in one week. Talk about not enough work done for an IM in 10 weeks! But that's why you are the king. What's your line? See sig line below?
  • Terry - have always liked your sig line!

    today is supposed to be the start of week 3 of the recovery plan from IMKY. This weekend I did the following:
    Saturday: 50 Mile bike - rode with my GF who just picked up a bike on Friday, was helping her take of the training wheels for the first 15 miles or so, that was at an IF of .62, then i got it in gear and finished up the ride with a cumulative IF of .71.
    Sunday: 18 Mile bike, again with the GF, but really hit it better with an IF of.75 followed by a 40 Min Bric.
    Monday: 1 hour run. swimming and running tomorrow and trying to follow the plan this week, not doing as much speed work for this week given the legs are still recovering from IMKY.

    oh, i and i did yoga for the first time ever on Sunday Morning, THAT was rough!
  • Did the High Pass Challenge yesterday, 114 miles, 8000' gain, 90 degrees. Finished in 6:13. I had combined my sat and sun rides for that one. Just swam on saturday, to save my legs for the ride. Was planning on swimming and then seeing how the legs felt for the run today, No-Go. Quads weren't having it!  Much like Al, I have to ride the razors edge of falling off the deep end. So no run today, probably just swim tomorrow and get my bike and run in on Wednesday. Back to the tri-bike for wednesdays ride. Have been on the road bike prepping for this race since Lake Stevens in August.

    Totals for last week: Swim-9200 yards, Bike- 234 miles, Run- 28 miles.

  • Today started out with a nice Master's swim. I'll do the run after work this afternoon. Legs feel a little tired from the weekend wourkouts, but what else is new?!
  • Just hit the ol 24hr Fitness treadmill for 6.29 miles, incl the two intervals. Haven't done a whole lot of running lately, so it was only 2x1mile instead of 2x1.5. Time to get rolling/running again!

    BUILD BUILD BUILD!!!
  • I too am feeling like time is running out to get my fitness dialed in for IMAZ. In particular my bike fitness feels a bit lackluster. It is almost as if my bike fitness house has it's roof falling down while the walls get pushed out. At least my mental mojo for training is still high. Just keep pushing forward.
  • @David, et al:  Plenty of time to get your houses in order!  Solid 8 weeks of training before taper left to go and you will see a huge jump in fitness over the next 8 weeks!  That's 2 months!  Trust the Plan, do the work and you will be ready on race day!

    @Steve - How you feeling this week?  Still on the edge?

    @Scott - Good work.  You are gonna kill it at IMAZ.  You know you will!

    @Al - Not bad for an "old guy."  

    I took yesterday off.  I was tired from the Sunday HIM.  Today I will get in the pool . . . . mostly to work on my Speedo tan lines and then run an easy 4 to 6 tonight.  Then back at it tomorrow morning and start ramping for the Big Training Day in my Plan for this Saturday.  

  •  Nice work all.  Everything for me has been going as planned until my interval run last night.  Strained my calf 5 minutes into the first z4/5 interval, to the point where I could not push off at all.  Luckily for me we have a tremendous resource in Leigh Boyle and I read all about the ijury on the Athletes Treating Athletes site last night.  Ice last night and went out and got a roller and trigger point ball this morning to start the recovery.  I'm taking 3 full days off and will try to ride this weekend, will swim as normal and potentially get back to running Monday.  Skipping the remaining runs this week completely. Fingers crossed.

  • @John- Took friday off and only swam on saturday. Had a killer ride/race on sunday and then just swam on monday and tuesday. This morning felt 100%- got up at 4:00am and got my 90 minute bike and 40 minute run in before the sun came up. Hit all my paces on the run plus a little extra. Felt great to back on the tri-bike, like an old friend. I sure missed those aero bars.

  • @Dominic - You are a very smart man.  Leigh rocks.  Rest and keep us posted.

    @Steve - I have a HUGE smile on my face.    No "off the edge" and you nailed it this morning. . . and on Wednesday!  WOOHOO!  Glad the Sunday ride went well.

    I did the 90' bike this morning and mixed it up a bit.  instead of the 8, 10 12 intervals I decided to 2.5/2.5 like in OS.  I got 12 in all at 110 to 120%.  Legs fired and felt really good.  Never done those outside and pushing 310+ watts on a flat, smooth road had me going 30+ MPH.  Even faster on the downs of some rollers.  

    I will run tonight with the local run club.  Have a bunch of fast friends that do it and I hope to pace with some of them for at least 5 miles at tempo.  I always push harder when I run with others.

  • I'm hitting some Tabata Intervals this eve on the bike (or VO2 stuff EN style but modified).
    - 20min at 70%
    - 10 x (20sec all out, 10 secs rest)
    - 30min at 70%
    There will be a big sweat pool on my garage floor. Going to crank out old skool Foreigner, "Dirty White Boy"

    Last night I went into the eve thinking I was going to torture myself. Did 2 hour long run, again modified from EN Plan, as 1 mile repeats at 8:20/mi pace with 1 min walk breaks. Though I was happy to be jumping off the treadmill at the 2 hour mark, I was not crawling back into the house. Legs felt pretty good this morning, It's been a LONG time since I ran for two hours. Confidence builder for me.

    Looking at the calendar = SCARY how fast things are winding down!
  • Long run this morning was NOT pleasant. 16 miles, made the zone 3 intervals but on the way back only got a third of the zone 2 stuff done before I was cooked. I didn't take any water with me and it was warmer than expected. Combination of dehydration and the past weeks fatigue, built and bit me. Oh well, next week is a little easier due to the testing so I should be able to bounce back before we ramp up for the final push.

  • Knocked out 17 and change this AM. Was better than expected as I was on a recruiting trip and didn't get back to the hotel until midnight. 5:15 alarm...on the road by 5:30, hit all intervals with the exception of the last 20 minutes at Z2 where I was 20 seconds off. Was great running around the old campus stomping grounds of Indiana University and seeing the city wake up.

    Looking forward to the big day Saturday. One question for the vets.....I have a hard time getting in the swim on big days as the gym doesn't open until 7 and I prefer to get out nice and early. How big of a deal is it to skip the swim? I am a FOP swimmer, probably will be in the 1:00-1:05 range.
  • Doing the long run after work. It's cool here today. Started yesterday's bike worout on the trainer. The bar end shifter loosened in the bar, so I had to fix that, then the rear tire went flat. I really didn't want to ride the trainer! I also checked the slope on my SRM hoping to pick up a few free horsepower. Only off about 2%. oh well...
    Looking forward to the BFD Saturday!
  • Long run done this morning. Was tough from the beginning. It was a great mental test and I passed. Even dug deep and got that last z2 interval. I just keep telling myself that this will all come back to me in the race.
  • Jumping in late. Monday was Masters swim: 3150 yds in 52 mins. A pretty good set for not swimming in 3 weeks. Did not get the run in so did it on Tuesday. Tuesday AM did weights/strength (gotta keep this old man's body strong), and in PM did Mondays run with 32 x 1.5 miles @ 7:07 pace. Wednesday did masters swim 2500 with a lot of backstroke (in case I drown in Tempe Town lake) and in the PM did the bike on Computrainer with 8/10/14/10/8 @ 247-250 AP (260 FTP). The first was really hard but then settled in. However, was tired and did not do the post bike run (hope that does not come back to bite me since I have never done an IM before and may miss some of the runs due to leg issues in the past. Thur AM weights/strength and this afternoon am (not) looking forward to a couple of hours on the TM with 2x15 @ 7:13 and 20 mins @ 7:30. Hope everyone else is doing well! As others have said, I can not believe that we are getting so close. I have never done an IM before so the "thoughts" are starting to creep into my mind...
  • Long run done at 4am this morning....struggled hitting the last Z2 interval. Getting ready for the 2nd big day on Saturday!!!!
  • @ Jeremy - Don't sweat the swim; since it sounds like this is not your first IM, you get the picture on pacing and coming out of the water, presumably. Due to work constraints and the weekend weather (working until 8AM Sat, and rain probable on Sun) I will just bike/run 4/1 on Sat, and swim on Sun.

    Speaking of swimming, while my speed has never returned, I do seem to be building more endurance than I had going into CDA (when I was 12 minutes slower than my previous slowest IM swim). The two "sprint" sessions this week, which end with 2 x 300 at "any pace" did not tire me out even though I went as fast as I could;' I was still able to swim those 300s at a pace which would leave me "only" 6-7 minutes slower than my last IM AZ swim. The second 200 was 10 secs faster than the first, and my times today were faster than the same workout 2 days ago.

    Right now, I'm procrastinating on my Long Run, but with the weather cooler than last week, I'm hoping for another confidence booster.

  • Al and Team - I have the same issue with Jeremy....I am NOT a FOP swimmer but expect to swim 1:10-1:15. I have the option to ride a 100 mile century (18 mph avg guy - slow!!!) and then do a one hour brick on Saturday...or should I only do 4 hours / 1 hr run.

    IMAZ - My first!!!!
  • @Andrew - What does your Plan say?  Many of us have a 1 hour swim, 4 hour bike and 1 hour run in our Plan for Saturday.  I always say stick to the Plan . . . . . but since this is your first IM the 100 mile ride may be good for your psyche if you haven't done a century before?

    As for me . . . . 

    Ran 4 miles last night at close to Threshold.  Paced on the heals of a friend who was just cruising and I was simply trying to hang on.

    This morning I went out for the 2 hour run and got 1:30 done.  I am on week 9 of Daniels Run Fornula for Marathon and did the Q1 workout = 5 x 5' @ T pace with 4' rest in between.  Ran two miles, got the 5 intervals done and then cruised for a bit then melted.  Some residual fatigue from the HIM, I guess.  And maybe the T pace run last night didn't help.  But the upside is my pacing is picking up on the non-interval parts.  More from confidence than anything else.

    Will run 6 or so tomorrow and then get ready for the Big Training Day on Saturday.

  • yes..my plan had my 2nd big day this Saturday but with the neighborhood pool being closed it adds more complexity to the process. I could cut the 100 miler short but need more confidence in my ability to run off of the 100 miler. We shall see..have time to figure this out.
  • @Al - IMAZ will be my first IM.  I've got a number of HIM and the time is a projection based on my longer swims and HIM races.  I may be able to finnagle the swim no Saturday after all...so we'l see.

  • Well, my run was successful: 2:06/15.4 miles. Hit all the HMP and MP paces and distance. Only thing is, I'm trying to get back in the shape I was in a year ago. I just checked, and my last long run then - Aug 28 - was @ 8:07 pace; this was 8:13. That's my goal for my 2.5 hour runs coming up. 

  • I have Friday off and will be doing big training day as follows:
    - 1 mile ocean swim
    - 90 mile ride down in aero 99% of time on course that mimics AZ very well; flat, a few rollers, and wind
    - 60 minute transition run

    I'll report success, failures, issues, psyched motivation late Fri afternoon as a potential motivation message for you folks hitting a similar workout on Saturday.
  • I have Friday off and will be doing big training day as follows:
    - 1 mile ocean swim
    - 90 mile ride down in aero 99% of time on course that mimics AZ very well; flat, a few rollers, and wind
    - 60 minute transition run

    I'll report success, failures, issues, psyched motivation late Fri afternoon as a potential motivation message for you folks hitting a similar workout on Saturday.
  • Yesterday did the 2 hour run (plan said 2:10 but my longest before was 1:50.) Good run. 20 mins easy with mile 1 @ 6.7, then rest @ 6.8; 2 x 15’(5’) @ 8.3 (7:13 pace), 30 mins @ 6.8; 20 mins @ 8.0 (7:30 pace) (but did have to do a 1 minute break at 10 mins. Then finished with running @ 7.0 to finish off the hour. Total 14.5 miles in 2:00:00. My longest, hjardest run in a couple of years. Was tired this morning and did ot sleep well. Still using Restwise and it gave me a recovery score of 70. I think I will take off from todays run and save it for tomorrow.

    I do not have any where to swim as part of tomorrow's BTD. Should I just do the 4 hopur bike and 1 hour run or add a little time to either?
  • Posted By david ware on 16 Sep 2011 12:30 PM

    Yesterday did the 2 hour run (plan said 2:10 but my longest before was 1:50.) Good run. 20 mins easy with mile 1 @ 6.7, then rest @ 6.8; 2 x 15’(5’) @ 8.3 (7:13 pace), 30 mins @ 6.8; 20 mins @ 8.0 (7:30 pace) (but did have to do a 1 minute break at 10 mins. Then finished with running @ 7.0 to finish off the hour. Total 14.5 miles in 2:00:00. My longest, hjardest run in a couple of years. Was tired this morning and did ot sleep well. Still using Restwise and it gave me a recovery score of 70. I think I will take off from todays run and save it for tomorrow.



    I do not have any where to swim as part of tomorrow's BTD. Should I just do the 4 hopur bike and 1 hour run or add a little time to either?

    2 hours on a dreadmill, since you're giving mph paces?That's impressive! 

    My record, just a few weeks ago when it was 100+ temps here in TX, was 1:40.



     

  • If it's an organized century and you'll actually run afterwards instead of drinking beer, I'd say do it. But if you're going to slam the burgers and drinks, I'd say stick with the plan.
  • 5 mile 40 minute run done.  Legs felt pretty good today.

    Now need to mentally prep for our 6 hour odyssey tomorrow.  I can do it, just seriously not looking forward to it.  

     

     

  • @Scott: I do most of my running on the mill. I guess I am just mindless...
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