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Hey everyone, I'm pretty much a newb to serious cycling.  I have never trained on the bike in winter and therefore don't have a trainer.  I'm looking to buy a trainer and looking for any recommendations people may have.  I'm on a budget so the computrainer is out of the question.  Internet research has led me to a decision between the Cycleops Fluid 2 or the Kurt Kinetic Road Machine.  Any comments, suggestions, or recommendations would be most helpful.  Any models I may have overlooked?  Thanks for any help.

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  • Doug, I recommend the KK Road Machine hands down. I have used mine for 2 OSs and gearing up for the 3rd. It is very quite and smooth. The only change I wish I had was the one with the larger interchangeable fly-wheel.

    Pete
  • I've got the CycleOps Fluid 2, no complaints at all.
  • +1 for the CycleOps Fluid 2, but I've heard very good things about the KK. Probably can't go wrong wih either.
  • Another +1 for the CycleOps Fluid 2. Can't say which one's "better", so it's pretty much a tossup in my opinion. image
  • Thanks everyone for the help. You've basically confirmed my internet research. It appears that either trainer would be a good investment, basically a matter of personal preference or cost? I think I am leaning towards the Kurt only because I can get a bundle including a watt meter (i don't have a power meter yet) for just over $400 on ebay.
  • Posted By Doug Johnson on 04 Nov 2011 05:02 AM

    Thanks everyone for the help. You've basically confirmed my internet research. It appears that either trainer would be a good investment, basically a matter of personal preference or cost? I think I am leaning towards the Kurt only because I can get a bundle including a watt meter (i don't have a power meter yet) for just over $400 on ebay.

    Save any extra/over $$$ and put it into a power meter fund.



     

  • One of my friends got a trainer with a built-in Power Meter. I think he has to come to a complete stop and wait for the PM to turn off for the PM to restart. Not ideal for doing intervals. I'd check into that before purchasing a trainer with a PM.

    Personally, I'd by the CycleOps Fluid 2 (my SO and I each have one and love it) and save up for a 'real' power meter.
  • I had a Cycleops Fluid2 and I liked it.
    Then last year I got a Kurt Kinetic Road Machine.
    The KK wins...no contest. Not even close. Not on the same planet.
    Seriously.
  • @Matt - What made the KK better than the CycleOps Fluid better?
  • I have a KK and no problems with it going in to my 3rd OS.  I live up in the great white north and will be on the trainer from now until March.

    Gordon

  • +1 to what Scott said.

    Go ahead with the trainer (used should be fine) and pocket the cash towards a power meter that you can put on the bike...so that you can use it either on the trainer or on the road. It sucks how much they cost, but there may be a price break coming if/when the new vector stuff comes out. We can dream anyway.
  • I'm also curious Matt about what you like about the KK. I've never tried one. I have a Fluid 2 that I got used and I'm pretty satisfied, but maybe I don't know what I'm missing. :-)
  • Another vote for the cyclops fluid trainer. I used mine extensively for three seasons with no issues. Gave it to my son after getting the cyclops powerbeam pro this summer.
  • Posted By Daniela Williams on 04 Nov 2011 01:44 PM

    @Matt - What made the KK better than the CycleOps Fluid better?

    Mostly it is quieter and smoother.

    Yes, yes, I know the Fluid2 isn't that noisy. But the KK is quieter.

    The smoothness is the main thing. The power curve feels really authentic. And it doesn't seem to change even a bit as the unit warms up (that happens with the Fluid2 and it is annoying). I also have the larger flywheel accessory and that is awesome...the coastdown is incredible.

    I would also say that KK customer service is incredible. I bought the trainer in a store but I bought the accessory flywheel from an Amazon marketplace seller. The marketplace seller shipped a flywheel that was not in the KK packaging and looked like it "fell of the back of a truck", eBay-style. The marketplace seller insisted that he was authorized by KK to sell the flywheels, so I sent an email to KK. KK got back to me immediately saying the seller was authorized to sell the flywheel with a trainer but not individually, and that they'd send me a new flywheel in the packaging the next day (which they did).

    The two annoying things about the KK vs. the Fluid2 are:

    (1) the power curve is such that the KK shows lower mph for any given power output compared with the Fluid 2. That is irrelevant of course, but psychologically I think it matters a little bit

    (2) My fluid 2 has a handle to "lock in" the bike and then another handle to bring the roller into contact with the wheel. These are pre-set so you never have to adjust them. On the KK you need to screw in the bike each time and tighten the roller to bring it up to contact the wheel each time. Sort of annoying since my workouts on the trainer are all about ROI and thus convienence things are highly prized.

    But look, overall the key thing is the feel of the ride. And on that dimension the KK wins big time. Easy as that!

    Cheers!

  • I also have the "fluid warmup" thing, where it does change resistance after ~ 10 minutes or something. Yes, a little annoying, but I just change gears... but I do know what you speak of.
  • +1 on the awesome customer service at KK. They've hooked me up twice, no questions asked, no 'you pay the shipping', nothing. Just took care of problems.

    Doug, I have an older version of the KK power computer (same thing, just different case). You're welcome to it for free, don't spend extra money on it. Just PM me your address. Like was said, save the money for a Powertap fund.
  • Thanks so much everyone for the response to my initial question. I went with the KK as I found a good deal on ebay that came with a bunch of extras (matt, computer, front tire ring/block/riser). The trainer arrived today and I have it all set up for tomorrow's bike workout!!!

    Mike, the package I ordered came with a computer but thanks so much for the offer, that was really nice of you.
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