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Training with Climbs versus a flat course

 Question from a new guy...  I am spending a lot of time doing my FTP intervals on a little mountain road behind house called Chantry.  it is 3.5 miles long and averages a 10% grade.  A lot of locals, in cluding Coach R train here.  My PR up the route is 00:23:19, meaning there is enough room for a 2x10'(3) sessions and I have also done repeats.  For longer intervals I can lengthen it by riding down from house then starting up from lower on the hill.  This way 2x15' can also be done.

My question is - am I doing the right thing by trying to raise my FTP in the hills versus a flat course.  Will I be able to see gains in a flat course earned by throwing myself against Chantry's granite passes?  My concern is that I am making good watts, but climing lowers my cadence.  Is this good, bad or neither?  I understand that a watt is a watt, but am I training my self to mash the peddles in s small chain ring to make watts versus spin them.

Please feel free to tell me I am lame if I am overthinking this.  

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  • I can't tell you how lucky you are to live so close to Chantry. I don't live that far, but it's still ~25 min of admin time for me to get there...

    I think it's mentally easier to stay at your FTP when doing climbs and thus easier to get more work done. You'll definitely have the fitness if you build your FTP on hills, but I'm guessing it might not be a bad idea to do some FTP work on flats just so you know what it feels like riding at that effort at higher cadence (i.e. get a better sense of RPE while riding at FTP on different terrain). Plus, you get the thrill of knowing you're going fast. image
  • Big picture, raise your FT anyway you can.

    Having said that, your body is going to adapt to your riding style, so riding up a hill you're probably on a road bike, sitting up right, hands close to together on top of the bars, grinding away at 70 rpm. It'll be painful switching to a tri bike on a flat road trying to hold aero and 90 rpm.

    My thoughts would be to raise FT on the hills, but as you get closer to your A race, practice how you expect to ride. If on a trainer, and you are using the newer version of WKO use the quadrant analysis tab to make sure power and cadence line up.

    http://home.trainingpeaks.com/articles/cycling/quadrant-analysis.aspx
  • Best training venue in the LA area. Don't over think it. That hill has been my bread and butter for 6-7 years, easy.

    • Don't worry about 3 x 15' or whatever "my" workout is for you. Just do...
    • Get about 15' of warmup. That's how long it takes me to ride from my house to the gate.
    • #1 @ 95-100%
    • #2 at max effort. Try to beat your time from last week. Note your time each one at landmarks on the climb. Mine is the tight right hand switchback about 4-5' up the hill, then the line in the pavement about exactly half way, where the county mileage sign restarts at 0.0

    That's it, all you need to do. Bonus if you can do 3x.

  • Awesome, guys! Thanks for insights.

    @Tom - that is scary accurate picture you paint of me on the bike. I gotta start looking over my shoulder..... image
  • Posted By Tom Glynn on 17 Feb 2012 01:58 PM





    My thoughts would be to raise FT on the hills, but as you get closer to your A race, practice how you expect to ride. If on a trainer, and you are using the newer version of WKO use the quadrant analysis tab to make sure power and cadence line up.



    http://home.trainingpeaks.com/articles/cycling/quadrant-analysis.aspx



    Tom - thanks for the link.  I have been trying to figure out how to incorporate Quadrant Analysis into my ride and race analysis.

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