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Self Coaching Basic Law #012...Add Vol or Intensity, But Not Both

 Halfway thru the OS.  Much farther along and better off that I was last year in my first OS.

About 4 more weeks til I transition to a HIM plan.

Been in the Pain Cave about 98% of the time since Jan 2nd.

Spring is here and I want to get my outdoor legs warmed up.  I'll be moving some of my Saturday bike wko's to the roads, and the Sunday ABP rides are right around the corner.  

Lots of rollers and spring gusts around here.

Was thinking about addind 1-2 short (45min to an hour) easier rides during the week now that it's getting warmer and more daylight.  Getting PLENTY of intensity with the OS so I don't feel like I'm cramming for the HIM plan coming up.  Do you think I would be sabotaging my efforts if I add 2 hours per week of easier riding just get the feel of the terrain back?  Of course, no chance that I would put this extra ride in place of family or work, just based on a couple of afternoons that might be open.

I admit that this is more to get the legs awake for the hammerheads that are revving their engines down the block.

BTW, once spring gets here, I plan on getting the focus intervals for the main sets done in the cave and then hitting the roads for the group ride and the 'remainder of the ride' part of the workout, but maybe that's a little off topic here....

 

 

Anyways, adding a little volume with minimal increase in intensity (note: hills) seems safe as long as the OS execution doesn't suffer, based on what I've picked up around here.

 

Yea or Nay?

 

Comments

  • Yea. Keep the intensity low and you'll be fine. If you find your rides are more 'group-ride-like', including lots of Z3 and Z4, then you're starting to ask for some troubles.

  • I recommend you add time to existing rides rather than add another ride(s). In my experience, you can add a 4th ride to our schedules but you need to be careful with it. 5x isn't going to happen. As long as you keep that 4th ride to Z1-3 you'll be Ok but pay attention to how _that_ ride affects everything else.

    IOW, it takes very little adding stuff to throw everything else out of whack. Just be smart.

  • I was hoping you'd chime in.

    I get what you're saying. Will stay very conservative and careful with this. I've done better sticking to the schedule this year and I hope it shows down the road. So, the last thing I want to do is start sabotaging this OS.

    This isn't a hack, just slipping a very Ez 45-60', maybe on Wed afternoons if the opportunity arises. And probably solo stuff so that I don't get caught up in a couple of buddies half wheeling each other up these hills.

    Note: have already adjusted this to one extra Ez spin based on u'r concern.

    Thx for the feedback @Mike and @Rich
  • Chris, last year, as part of P's body comp hack, I believe he inserted an easy ride on Monday and Friday instead of off days. IIRC, his biggest 'lesson learned' about that experiment was that doing those rides around .7 was no problem, but if he let it creep up past .75 or so, it really started to affect workouts on the other days.

    I know that Rich can't ride .7 outside of an IM without feeling like he's wasting his time! :-)

    Seriously, though, I'm not too sold on the benefit of adding a small amount of Z2 time. Z2 time is an effective stimulus, if you do a lot of it. Otherwise, you're kinda just noodling around for 45 minutes. Just a thought.
  • Yeah, I can back up Mike's thoughts. In my experience:

    • There's a gray zone between ~9 and ~13-14hrs of cycling per week. That is, when you're riding in here you need to turn down intensity in order get in the volume....but you're not riding hard enough to get any faster but your not riding long enough to get any faster either. Once you get north of 14-15hrs cycling per week the volume effect kicks in and makes you faster...but you're also on the bike for 15hrs+ per week.
    • The net is that we've seen, for years, that you can get the same net "make me faster effect" with ~8hrs of hard cycling per week as you can with a mix of ~12-13hrs/wk.
    • As Mike said, the extra cycling could be an excellent body comp improvement tool, as long as you're smart about the intensity and are careful with downstream workouts. For me this summer, this was riding to/from the Rose Bowl a couple times per week to swim. This was about ~700-900kj per ride = ~1700kj per week, or about a half pound of fat...or another 1700cals I could eat, depending on how you look at it .

    In short, I have a lot of experience with taking our EN plans and adding both cycling and running volume to them, because I have the lifestyle resources to do so. I've also experimented with cycling only blocks for a long time. I've learned that you definitely reach diminishing gains and being to see a lot of friction with other workouts when you add a fourth bike, when you add volume greater than X to existing rides, etc. More often than not it's usually better to just NOT do more, go harder instead, and recover from those efforts....with the exception of running frequency. In my experience, adding running frequency is a much greater ROI than adding cycling volume.

  • Rich, just a quick follow-up. What's the minimum duration for a single session for the benefit of running frequency to kick in. If an athlete were to add in 3-4 x 10 minutes (let's say that's 3-5 miles in a week) spread out, is that worth it, or would you encourage them to find the spot where they can throw in a single 30-40' session instead. Interesting argument brought up by Dev in response to Patrick over on ST recently got me thinking about this...
  • Enjoyed reading this. It's good stuff to keep in mind and I really appreciate the voices with real experience. Thought I would toss in an anecdote:

    I saw this title and it made me think of something that they used to say in the late 80s when I lived in NY and ran in the classes in the NYRRC in prep for the NY Marathon. (I was a total beginner runner.) It was something like - "Run with one "stress" per day, and no more than one. Distance, speed, temperature, hills all count as stressors." In other words, go with volume or intensity, but not both. :-)

  • When I read the original post, my first thought was about all the bike commuting I did from 1996-2010. My route to work was 40-45 minutes each way. I never approached that cycling as structured training. Dark of night, rain, traffic, temperature, and clothing choices were more the issue. But it turned out to be a good adjunct to real training, giving me butt on the saddle time and helping me learn how to be a better and more confident bike handler.

    My point is, not all physical activity needs to be thought of as "training". Sometimes it's just fun. Did it help me be a better triathlete? Sure, but in ways that are much harder to quantify than one hour on the trainer doing 3 x 15' (4') @ 98% of FTP.

    To Chris, I'd say: It sounds like you just want to get outside and ride. Go do that. But as others have said, in the OS, stay away from ADDING hammering group rides to the 3 hard rides you already do each week. From my experience, doing 4-6 45 minute rides a week as a bike commute (2-3 days/week of bike commuting) probably cost me one harder "real" training ride a week. I would usually do a semi-structured group ride on Saturday morning, and a hard 1-1.5 session on the trainer mid-week. But I got lots of other benefits, both lifestyle and training from the higher volume lower intensity biking.

  • Yeah, that's pretty spot on.

    Goals:
    Some body comp stuff and get the hills/wind 'feel' back.

    There will be a time for 'winning' the sprint to the sign, but that is not what this is about. More about easing into the Lion's Den (wind & hills).

    Ironically, I am thinking about prepping my 29er for commuting. That adds about 16 miles. But, as Al said, I am not looking to add training time. I just like riding vs driving. It's still fun to ride a bike! Not sure if I'll do this cuz of the concerns that we've been discussing.
  • Posted By Mike Graffeo on 14 Mar 2012 10:48 AM

    Rich, just a quick follow-up. What's the minimum duration for a single session for the benefit of running frequency to kick in. If an athlete were to add in 3-4 x 10 minutes (let's say that's 3-5 miles in a week) spread out, is that worth it, or would you encourage them to find the spot where they can throw in a single 30-40' session instead. Interesting argument brought up by Dev in response to Patrick over on ST recently got me thinking about this...

     

    The scientific answer? Dunno . For me personally, about 25-35'. My go to session for running frequency is:

    • ~5-6' easy down the street to a corner
    • ~1 mile as 30" Strides, 30-45" easy jog
    • Flip it and do 1 mile at T-pace
    • Easy 5-6' home
  • And please show me the ST thread. I've been ST-free for several weeks and feel much cleaner for it...

  • Thanks. Figured there probably isn't a scientific answer to this, but I'm skeptical of the value of a bunch of 10' runs added in. Dev, OTOH, seems to think they're gold. To each his own, I guess...
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