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IMMT 2012 Run Obsevations Only

Two day's of biking in the books, so Monday morning off to discover the run course. It is a two loop course for the full IM and one loop for the 70.3. My overall opinion of this course is "Love it". To put this run course terrain in perspective first, I consider the LP course flat with two hills and IMFL downhill! So here we go.

You leave MT and make your way to old Mount Tremblant. If you have done Muskoka the same type of terrain this is a ascent/descent climb out of town.Then after that work you are awarded with an old train track line with awesome packed stone and soil with false flats no real grades( you can fly here). Turn around point is Montee Ryan and you back track to old Tremblant. Then the ascents/descents back into town. You do it all over again! The scenery is awesome with lake views around you. The coverage on the run will have good shade spots and sunny areas. For trg it is well marked and you have stores along the way to refuel

For those doing 70.3 you should fly through this course as long as you have done your bike and run hill homework or could I be wrong

For those doing the full meal deal IM. I assume we all you will have done your bike and run hill homework and will rise to the occasion!

Comments

  • Thanks STeve,
    I was wondering about the old train track line - glad to hear it is packed soil/stone and not asphalt - was kinda hoping for that.

    Looking forward to getting up there!
  • Did my RR#1 on the IMMT course on 7/1 - here are my thougts on run course.

    * First 2.7x miles are the hardest w/3 hills. 1st hile is very short but probably the steepest, right near the Lake (those who did the 70.3 probably didn't even notice it). 2nd hill is the longest w/a slight descent in the middle - maybe .5 - .7 miles long. 3rd hill falls between the first two in terms of length and steepness. None are super tough but we will feel them heading out on loop #2 for sure. Should make it easier to start the run in accordance with EN guidance on pacing.

    * Next we desend to the old train/path thru the old MT village. The train/path is excellent IMO. Generally flat w/ maybe a slight descent on the way out an acsent on the way back. Love running on the softer service (dirt, gravel). Probably more than 50% shaded. I didn't do the last mile on either side of the turnaround at Montee Ryan but there might be a slight up/down there (based on the road that follows it).

    * Once off the train/path you climb up about .40 miles thru MT village and then start a generally descending trip back to the Resort. A few short ascents but it will definitely feel like your descending overall. Special Needs is at the hotel just past the swim exit, after a small hill, u turn left, go thru hotel (inside/outside?) then turn right and head directly to the pedestrian village and down the steep hill, lots of spectators for sure, towards finish/transition.

    During the race I plan to try to really keep running solid on the train/path given the surface, level ground & shade, pinpoint my walking on the top of each ascent on the way out and in - at the beginning and end of each loop. Not too many places for aid stations on the train/path so may want to have something on you at this point. I think the hardest part physically will be miles 14-17.5, and maybe mentally the 2nd trip out on the train/path.

    I can only compare it to B2B and IMLP. Harder than B2B (which is 90% flat) but similar in difficulty to IMLP I would think. Obviously weather will play a major factor on race day on any course.
  • I was up there the weekend before last as well. I agree with your thoughts on the run course, but being from a running background myself, I feel like I should add one thing.

    The course is overall nicely laid out and fairly flat, especially the crushed gravel section that is called Le P'tit Train du Nord. The problem I have with it is that with each step, my foot felt like it was sliding back and I had to work a little harder to keep the same speed. That might not be too much of a problem for about 8:15/mile or slower, but as your speed picks up, the effect gets worse. It might be a good idea to check it out once before the race so you're not surprised by it on race day.
  • @Adam what do you mean by your feet sliding back, was the ground not hard compact like pavement ?? I know we do no all have thais type of terrain to train on on everyday. Will this be a hindrance for you. Have you tried or incooperated trail running. I did thiis type of trg in the spring to get my legs ready for this. You are a runner,was it off the bike that just gave you that feeling but was successful in the end!!!!? I have no answer for this!
  • @ Adam - I think I know your issue but it is not one for me as I will not be running that fast, although I wish this was a concern image. I thought the train/path was pretty hardpacked, but it is certainly not as fast as asphalt/concrete, cause like most trail runs, your feet tend to stay on the ground longer and you can't push off as hard. Maybe a shorter stride w/a quicker cadence so your feet are always underneath you more, more upright? But its tough to change your natuaral stride.
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