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Coach P's Ironman Texas Bike and Run Crucibles

So my plan on the bike was to start easy and ride 250 NP. I averaged like 212, and my NP was maybe 221...but being aero and knowing the course totally ruled the day. You can watch the review here: http://www.screencast-o-matic.com/watch/clhrFhEKw

On the run I focused on Heart Rate based on previous performances, with my early goals being to drop my core temperature and eat. In the first 5 miles I had a banana and two caffeinated gels as well as 5 cups of Perform...that alone is more than I used to eat in the ENTIRE run. As you can see I avoided the bonk and kept things rolling to a PR run. http://www.screencast-o-matic.com/watch/clhrYHE7g

Fire away with comments and questions!!!

Comments

  • What did you eat/drink the rest of the run?
  • Congrats Coach P! Amazing job! I was so motivated watching you via athlete tracker this weekend! So, here is my question. Do you guys plan on adjusting what you recommend as far as nutrition planning for the run since your upgraded plan seemed to be a major benefit? Congrats again, I am sure you are still on cloud 9 as you should be!
  • Great Race Coach Patrick! Way to nail the run. Another question regarding nutrition. Prior to the race you said on the bike it would be Gatorade Perform,and food. What were you eating on the bike. I would love to hear about your nutritional intake more in-depth. Enjoy your recovery Coach, you earned it.
  • well done Patrick, incredible performance. I always learn something when watching the crucible video's
  • Just a technical point, screencast-o-matic no worky with an iPad. I'll try to remember to watch this in a few days. Looking forward to seeing it.
  • Does this materially affect your advice about how much to eat on the run for IM races? Or do you think this is still too much of an n=1 experience?
  • Coach P-- Can you talk about cadence on the bike a bit? I'm a bigger peep as well but feel better in the low to mid 90's. And most of the other crucible files I have watched, you seem to be prodding people to have a higher cadence. Looks like your avg cadence was 79. I think if I rode at 80 cadence for 5 hours, I'd likely fry my legs. Is this some mental thing I should get over? Were you pushing a bigger gear in lower cadence because it was a flat course, or is this normal for you? I notice I can push higher power numbers with lower cadence, but am always afraid this is causing a detriment to my legs for later in the race...

    I see your run cadence was 85 but you were targeting 88. from just eyeballing the graph it looks like it actually stayed steady or maybe even increased throughout the 26 miles. is that normal for you? Mine always fades the longer I'm out there. Looks like you hit your run cadence targets because if you take out the walking the aid station parts, I'm sure your actual run cadence was close to 88.
  • P, I may have missed this but was your FTP on road bike indoors or TT bike outdoors and aero? I saw you mentioned 17 cm drop in interview w/ R and I also had Todd fit me and I'm 6' 0.5" and ride 17.5 cm drop and am super aero and faster but noticed my watts are down 15-20 although this may be related to a different bike and different SRM, wireless vs wired. Bill WIseman curiously was fitted by Todd, has same bike as I do now and has a deep drop also and lost right about 15-20 watts but also has wireless SRM vs wired.

    My Q is, was your goal of 250W was based on indoor road or outdoor TT FTP test? Curious as I really want to know if your run was due to very low TSS or just superior fitness and typical TSS since your IF was artifically low based on erroneous FTP (road vs TT). Thx

  • Nicely executed...very inspirational...thanks for this
  • Excellent job coach P.

    Was there any coke or just use the caffeine in the gels?  I was just wonder if you kept the caffeine going through liquid and if there was any noticible effects (perceived) from lack of or continued use of caffeine?

    My thoughts when to directly to season planning and tremblant.   Are you going to do this race to solidify the nutrition plan or perhaps big training day cutting the run short.  Given the timing of the race you would have to keep your fitness/race weight and focus through October and peak for three IM's a tough thing to do.

    Gordon

  • Great Job Patrick...

    Great questions so far...

    My thougths go towards, "just because Patrick does it this way doesn't mean you should to", right? Wondering if guidance will end up being tweaked based on ability. If your day is done after 9:27 hours you need to do XXX, if your day is north of 14 hours you should consider doing YYY...This could probably fit into Nutrition maybe bike fit (can/should a 17cm drop be held for those north of 6:30 bike split and still run off the bike??) ....

    Love all the discussion and how folks who have done more IMs than I can even imagine are still trying to tweak their setup, nutrition and race strategy...
  • @Michael, I had a banana in T2 and two caff gels before mile 5. I had 4oz of perform at every aid station except when I went to coke only at end. I had other caff gel at mile 16. I had a package of cliff bloks, one blok every 2 miles from 6 to 14. That's about 630 cals plus the Perform and Coke. I used to take in about 400 on the run previously.

    @Bryan, yes we need to discuss the nutrition stuff!

    @Rob, I outlined it in my race report. I drank 3 bottles perform for first 2 hours each, then 2 bottles per hour. Then I ate every 30 minutes, as 1/2 power bar, 1/2 power bar, 3 caff gels, 1/2 powerboat, 1/2 power bar, 4 caff gels. That's 480 PB, 770 Gels, 2100 calories of Perform for a total of 3,350 calories on the bike. I used to take in 250 cals per hour for 5 hours, or 1,250.

    @William, yes, but it's a bigger discussion that we need to have. Let's be clear that I have been _training_ to eat that much for weeks. Even on a 30' run, I would do a gel prior, a cliff block every 10' and one scoop of Endurox after. This was according to my fueling plan from the Core Diet folks and, honestly, I have never spent so much money on nutrition than I have in the last 3 months.

    @Withrow, I know what I can do from my experience riding. On a flat course I naturally gravitate to lower RPMs, always have….so no outlier for me. But I am personally an outlier, so that's the trouble with emulating my cadence. Do what works for you!!

    @Jeff, good question. My FTP on my indoor bike was 362, so I took 22 watts off that and assumed my TT bike FTP. Done. I also lose watts on road bike, but am so aero it just doesn't matter. Put my head down and I fly past everyone…that's priceless.

    @Gordon, all the gels were 1x caffeine. I had salt stick plus caps that have a little caffeine in them and I took 2 per hour. All gels on run had caffeine. Goal was to build caffeine over the day, no pill to spike it…so that I'd be ready to rock the run.

    @Nate, totally right. This is all n=1…just sharing so others can learn!


  •  Coach could you expand on the reason you decided to abandon the NP goals while doing the bike.    Pre-race you felt 250 was doable.    You said you were going fast enough with lower powers.    This worked out well for you.     Just wondering if I could make a sound decision like that during a race.    

  • @Robin, I just wasn't feeling the 250....it was too hard to chase, but when I looked at the clock, I was riding almost 23 mph, which would be a PR pace for me...so I wasn't sweating the power b/c I was already going fast enough for my goal. IOW, my wattage numbers are a means to a good time (goal). If I am already on track for my goal, then I can justify backing down on the watts to be in a better place for the run!

    Here are the numbers cuz some folks asked for them....

    Here are the power numbers for all the geeks out there. Please note this is off of a Functional Threshold Power of 340 watts.

    Entire workout (212 watts):
    Duration: 4:54:45 (4:56:26)
    Work: 3748 kJ
    TSS: 206.8 (intensity factor 0.649)
    Norm Power: 221
    VI: 1.04
    Pw:HR: 1.94%
    Pa:HR: n/a
    Distance: 111.487 mi
    Elevation Gain: 2205 ft
    Elevation Loss: 2239 ft
    Grade: -0.0 % (-33 ft)
    Min Max Avg
    Power: 0 430 212 watts
    Heart Rate: 101 146 133 bpm
    Cadence: 30 231 80 rpm
    Hub Torque: 0 25 6 lb-in
    Altitude: 89 365 203 ft
    Crank Torque: 0 803 226 lb-in
  • Hey Coach,

    Great job! Stupid question and apologies if you discussed this elsewhere. In your RR you talk about a front “wheel” change but in the crucible you reference a “tire” change.  Either way, I have questions!

     

    If it was a wheel change:

    How does that conversation with neutral support go when he pulled up? 

    Do they see that obviously you are a “pointy end” athlete and the best solution would be to just give you a new wheel? 

    Or did you have to ask for it in lieu of a tube change?

    And what are the logistics in getting it swapped back after the race? 

     

    If it was a tire change:

    How did the neutral support guy help? Just by holding the bike?

    Did he provide you with any supplies or advice? Or just stay out of your (ninja fast) way?

     

     

    Learning lots from you sharing this…. Thanks so much!  
  •  Sounds good coach.  Thanks

  • @Jenn, I had my front wheel off and was getting tools out of my bag when he showed up. He held my bike from falling while I did the work and he cleaned up my trash / tube (kept me fast). He was asking if I wanted a new wheel, but I was already half way done so it didn't matter....super nice guy, very chill (which I appreciated!!!!).
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