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Incorporating a Big Boyz Varsity Ride into Last 12 Weeks of IM Plan and WKO+/Garmin Connect Discrepa

Happy Spring EN!

 

The 12 week countdown to IMC has begun!  Queue "The Final Countdown" music!!!   I’ve finally heeded the coaches’ advice and am starting to ride with a strong group of cyclists and triathletes. It is a Big Boys Varsity Ride -  a serious no-holds-barred  lets-rip-each-others’-legs-off kind of ride.  I’m really excited that I’ve managed to stay with the A- or B group and not get dropped. *** Shameless plug for EN! *** Today was my fourth ride with them in six weeks and I’m starting to feel more comfortable. I don’t appear to be making a complete fool of myself although as the only chicka I still kinda stick out a little.

 

In previous seasons I spent a lot of time the trainer or with slower partners surging ahead and circling back as means to get my intensity and specified workout in.   This year I find myself in a different dilemma.  I’d like to continue incorporating it for at least some of the last 12 weeks of advanced IM as I can literally almost FEEL myself getting stronger but I don’t know how and the strings I could find don't quite answer my question. Most weeks of our IM plan call for a ride on Saturday with some FTP work followed by an ABP ride on Sunday. For example, next week’s Saturday ride calls for a total of 45’ @ FTP. My FTP is 200w and today I spent about 34 minutes at or above that.   Actually some of it was well above 200w and I’ve parsed that out below. 

 

My questions are:
  • How could (or should) I incorporate this Sunday ride into the last twelve weeks of the advanced IM plan?     
  • And even more fundamentally when trying to achieve comparable targets are we shooting for a certain number of minutes at FTP, a certain IF for a given time or a certain TSS? Offhand, I’m considering moving the 3 hour APB ride to Saturday and substituting the 4 hour FTP ride for the Big Boyz ride (extended to the prescribed plan length) on Sunday. 
  • Thoughts? Better ideas?
  • Less importantly, can anyone help me reconcile WKO+, Garmin Connect and my Garmin 800? On the unit I have my recording set to 1 second, auto pause is off and I am not including zeros.  I’ve received conflicting info on what to do to rectify this and it’s driving me bonkers.
 

Thanks!  

 

Here is the ride in Garmin Connect: http://connect.garmin.com/activity/185290721

 

Time (in minutes) today in 10w increments:

200         6.75

210         6.00

220         4.25

230         3.25

240         2.50

250         2.00

260         1.50

270         1.50

280         1.25

290         1.25

300         1.00

310         1.00

320         0.25

330         0.25

340         0.25

350+      1.25

 

 

Metrics out of Garmin Connect and on the 800 (hey, at least these match!)



Avg Power:


160 W


Max Power:


536 W


Max Avg Power (20 min):


194 W


Normalized Power (NP):


174 W


Intensity Factor (IF):


0.87


Training Stress Score (TSS):


213.7

 

 

Metrics out of WKO +

Entire workout (145 watts):

    Duration:               3:09:19 (3:10:58)

    Work:                     1642 kJ

    TSS:                       221.9 (intensity factor 0.84)

    Norm Power:          168

    VI:                           1.16

    Pw:HR:                   0.44%

    Pa:HR:                   1.54%

    Distance:              60.035 mi

    Elevation Gain:     2041 ft

    Elevation Loss:      2060 ft

    Grade:                    -0.0 % (-10 ft)

                                   Min      Max     Avg

    Power:                    0          536      145      watts

    Heart Rate:           83        170      138      bpm

    Cadence:               5          174      86        rpm

    Speed:                    0          47        19.1     mph

    Pace                       1:17     0:00     3:08     min/mi

    Altitude:                  71        919      503      ft

    Crank Torque:       0          789      142      lb-in

    Temperature:         46.4     53.6     48.2     Fahrenheit

Comments

  • Jenn, I can't answer the garmin / wko issue. Sounds like the integration issue is that the ride is on Sunday but your FTP ride is on Saturday? If it's a concern, I would plan on making Saturday's ride just easier....think more RR focused -- aerobar time, good fueling, low VI, etc. Maybe some big gear / low cadence work in small sets to make it interesting. Then crush the Sunday ride. You should be able to do this right up until 5 or 6 weeks to go....thoughts?
  • What Patrick said. The concern is getting enough aerobar time (assuming you're drafting on Sunday and therefore not in the bars). So dial down the intensity of Saturday (try to keep the time, or drop it just a bit?), lock yourself in the bars, and then hammer on Sunday. That's a VERY valuable ride for you and you may find yourself need to adjust Monday a bit. Also, this aerobar stuff becomes very important about 8wks out, until then you don't have to be too concerned about it.

  • Hi! 

    Thanks so much to both of you for your quick input! 

     

    @ P: Yep, the primary question is around integration of FTP ride Sunday/Saturday.  I’ll ride Saturday per your instruction and do my best to “crush it” on the Sunday ride ‘till 5 – 6 weeks out. 

    @ R: Good point thanks.  The first half of the ride is maybe 50/50 aero depending on what's going on.  Luckily I’m really comfy aero so hopefully there won’t be too much drama there but I will make sure to get locked in well before the race.  

     

    I’m so glad you both are on board with me continuing. I would have never even been brave enough to even turn up for this ride without your encouragement.   

     

    You might appreciate this: The first Sunday they gave me the once over (in my EN jersey of course) and were like (politely) "Uh, this is a really aggressive ride.  Did you know there is a no drop ride on Saturday"?  I was like "Excellent, I love aggressive rides and I'll tell my husband about the Saturday ride!"  That day I was so So SO stoked just to be able to hang even if I did collapse into a puddle when I got home.  Now I'm right in the mix and can actually function after the ride so either I'm getting stronger or they are getting weaker.  Doing my best to represent EN!!! 

     

  • Awesome! Chick'em at every opportunity and learn how to hang on a wheel to stay on board!

    These rides are invaluable. You'll work sooooo much harder than you would solo.

  • Posted By Jenn Edwards on 04 Jun 2012 07:06 PM

     

    @ R: Good point thanks.  The first half of the ride is maybe 50/50 aero depending on what's going on.  Luckily I’m really comfy aero so hopefully there won’t be too much drama there but I will make sure to get locked in well before the race.  

     

     

     




    Hi Jenn,

    If I'm interpreting your statement above correctly, you are stating that the first half of your Sunday group ride is 50/50 in your aerobars...Is that correct?  If so, please change that to 0/100...in other words, please do not ride in your aerobars during a group ride.  It is extremely dangerous for you and the group.  The only way to do this is to stay about 5 bike lengths off the back so you have time to react if something happens in front of you that may require a quick change of direction or application of the brakes.

    If I misinterpreted you, then please ignore my statement and I apologize.

    -Keith

  • Hi Keith,

    Thanks and no worries!  No drafting in aerobars and the rest of the group abides by that as well.  I didn't phrase my scenario clearly but the 1/2 that isn't is either when I'm not on someone's wheel or when I'm on my own to and from home.    After all, the #1 priority of every ride is to survive! 

  • Anyone have any thoughts on the Garmin issue? I am having the same thing... Not the end of the world, but I am curious....
  • @Jenn- what group do you ride with on Sunday?
  • Posted By Keith Wick on 04 Jun 2012 09:02 PM
    Posted By Jenn Edwards on 04 Jun 2012 07:06 PM

     

    @ R: Good point thanks.  The first half of the ride is maybe 50/50 aero depending on what's going on.  Luckily I’m really comfy aero so hopefully there won’t be too much drama there but I will make sure to get locked in well before the race.  

     

     

     




    Hi Jenn,

    If I'm interpreting your statement above correctly, you are stating that the first half of your Sunday group ride is 50/50 in your aerobars...Is that correct?  If so, please change that to 0/100...in other words, please do not ride in your aerobars during a group ride.  It is extremely dangerous for you and the group.  The only way to do this is to stay about 5 bike lengths off the back so you have time to react if something happens in front of you that may require a quick change of direction or application of the brakes.

    If I misinterpreted you, then please ignore my statement and I apologize.

    -Keith



    Unless you're in the very back, or sometimes (if you have earned the trust/respect of the group) on the very front!

     

    I ride with very aggressive Roadies Tue/Thu here, and after doing my time, they're okay with me in those two positions in aero. They actually like me in front in aero, esp on the long flat out drags and slight declines where gravity works for my advantage!

     

  • ;Steve it's from NWTB in Kent.   Would love to see you out there! 

    Sundays 7:30 AM:  The Sunday ride is longer and a bit speedier  The route tends to change from week to week but will almost always head down Auburn Black Diamond and the north on Green Valley Road before coming back up the hill and heading east.  Anyone is welcome but there's no one bringing up the rear to fix flats or shoot the breeze, so be prepared to meet those needs on your own and find your way back to the shop if necessary.There are some speedy kids that show up at this ride, so if you're looking for a challenge, the front of this group might do it for you.  Email Brad to be added to the contact list.

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