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RR#2 for IMCdA - Fluid intake questions

RR#2 for IMCdA done yesterday. I had planned not to run, since I'm stil babying my knee. Therefore I planned to do 112 miles with 4800 feet of climbing, a very similar course profile to CdA. ETA was about 6:30 - 6:50. Actual ride time 7:09. This was by far the hardest bike ride I've ever done (including rides almost twice as long) due to several factors - cold rainy weather, extremely bad sleep for 3 nights prior (unplanned) and a poor course choice on my part (the roads were in far worse condition than the last time I rode this course 3 years ago). Lots of logging going on in this area, the ride used to go through forests, now it's through clearcuts and the big trucks have just chewed up the roads. Some places I could only go 13 - 15 mph just due to pavement quality. Avg. speed for ride was 15.9. Ugh!

My big focus was on hills and pacing, and on nutrition/fluids, The hills part went well. I focused on keeping even pressure on pedals. The first climb is a 5-mile, 1000 foot hill that I go over frequently, so I've got lots of benchmark data on it. It felt like I was climbing reaalllly slowly - very relaxed. I was pleasantly surprised at the top to find I was only 3:45 slower than my usual climb for this hill. So by taking it easy, I didn't give up too much time. I thought about how if I roasted my legs on the hills at IMCdA, I could easily give up 3:45 every mile or two on the run. So this was great data to have in my pocket. The worst climb was coming back over this hill at the end. The back side is only 2.5 miles so it's much steeper. I did not manage to keep HR down as low on that one, dipping into Z2 and an occasional low Z3. First three 1000 ft. climbs were Z1 - low Z2.

I think nutrition went fairly well. I did my usual pre-race breakfast of banana rice custard (eggs, rice, bananas, coconut milk). One Bonk Breaker bar an hour before I started, plus sipping on Infinit.

On the bike, I filled my 40 oz. Speedfil on the frame with a 6 hour mixture of Infinit. I have a Torhans 30 on the bars that I filled with water. I brought 2 Bonk Breaker bars and 2 gels. In retrospect, I needed about 2 more gels, preferrably with caffeine. As it is, when I stopped to refill water, I bought a Dr. Pepper and drank half of it (10 oz) for the caffeine. Some of that might've been lack of sleep, but I think it would be good to plan to have some on hand.



Total intake: 40 oz of 6-hour Infinit mix + 45 oz. water. 10 oz. Dr. Pepper. 2 bars, 2 gels. Stomach felt fine. I didn't do a run afterwards, but last time with RR#1 I used same nutrition (minus Dr. Pepper) and had no problems running for an hour.



My biggest question is about fluid intake. I peed like a racehorse (sorry if TMI) 6 times during the ride. Granted, it was a cold and rainy day, plus I don't sweat much at all. So my problem is this: how do I take in enough fluid to keep the osmality of my nutrition in the right range without drowning myself in fluids?? Obviously whatever I take in, I'm not going to sweat much of it out, which leaves me to pee a lot.  At IMFL, I had 6 porta-potty stops, which added 9+ minutes to my bike split. Obviously not optimal. Not sure if I should reduce fluid intake, specifically water, since I  have this much extra fluid in me? Or is the water necessary for digestion and I just have to deal with it?

 

Comments

  • sounds like you had a pretty epic RR...I'm sure that IMCDA will be a walk in the park compared to this...Great job for getting it done.

    Rest up that knee for sure...

    "Total intake: 40 oz of 6-hour Infinit mix + 45 oz. water. 10 oz. Dr. Pepper"

    Am I reading this right, you were on the bike for 7:09 and only had 95oz of fluid and you think this is to much...That's 13.5oz/hour roughly...That doesn't seem like enough, but i'm suprised you peed so much. I'm at at 30-40 ounces an hour for my longish ride...Did you by any chance weigh your self before and after?
  • Posted By Nate Parady on 08 Jun 2012 02:39 PM

    sounds like you had a pretty epic RR...I'm sure that IMCDA will be a walk in the park compared to this...Great job for getting it done.



    Rest up that knee for sure...



    "Total intake: 40 oz of 6-hour Infinit mix + 45 oz. water. 10 oz. Dr. Pepper"



    Am I reading this right, you were on the bike for 7:09 and only had 95oz of fluid and you think this is to much...That's 13.5oz/hour roughly...That doesn't seem like enough, but i'm suprised you peed so much. I'm at at 30-40 ounces an hour for my longish ride...Did you by any chance weigh your self before and after?



    That's definitely a good point, it doesn't sound like much. But I don't really sweat much at all, so the only place that water is going to go is out - if I drink 95 oz, I probably pee 85 oz. When I got back, I weighed .3 pounds more than when I left. So I know I wasn't dehydrated. Then again it was not warm at all. In warm water, I'm sure I would sweat some, but experience with warmer races has taught me I don't sweat that much, regardless of weather.

  • Robin, wow, from the sounds of this you may have good reason to be an exception maybe. Your the first person that I have heard weighing more when they got back from such a long ride. Would be curious to know from others who's body acts this way.
    I would think your body would have enough fluid to digest assuming you are chasing your calories down with the water you do drink.
    I would also be prepared to increase your fluid if the weather heats up on you...
  • Peed x 6 and only drank a pretty small amount? Unusual but that's a lot of peeing! Does this occur on all your rides???

  • Posted By Jeff Brandenburg on 09 Jun 2012 02:26 PM

    Peed x 6 and only drank a pretty small amount? Unusual but that's a lot of peeing! Does this occur on all your rides???



    No, because I usually don't drink this much! On rides under 2 hours, I will eat a gel or two and drink to thirst. I generally don't go through more than 1 water bottle at most. On longer rides, I will drink a bit more and take some Infinit, but I rarely go through the two bottles (one water, one Infinit) I take with me, unless it's very very hot. I do probably pee every 2 hours though.

  • It's official, your a camel... image
  • I'm a camel too. I rarely finish a more than one bottle on rides under three hours if the temps are cool, and if I do I'll end up stopping a lot. I don't worry about it too much for training, but I always drink more on race day. I would rather err on the side of caution than end up dehydrated on the run course. To quote my husband: "better to pee, than have an IV". image
  • LOL Sarah, thanks for sharing that. "Better to pee than have an IV" may have to be my new motto for the bike course

  • Hm. I wonder if you need more sodium? Do you take S-caps?

    I love carrying caffeinated gels -- I use them as nutritional "treats" before the less-than-fun sections of bike courses.
  • Speaking just for myself, If I take in too much sodium, I just blow up like a balloon - my fingers turn into little sausages and my ankles swell. If I don't need the fluids for sweat, I'd rather pee them out than retain them and carry them around the course with me. The fact that I can end a 112 mile ride with my weight higher than when I started says to me that I don't need more sodium/fluid retention.

    That's a great idea about the caffeinated gels as treats. I'll have to think about where I want to strategically eat them!
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