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Would You Wear HR Strap for IM Run?

During this IMCDA prep I decided not to wear an HR strap.  I go by pace only and don't care much about HR.  And the reason is kind of dumb - I simply hate having that strap on my chest.  Strangely, I wear one on the bike for every ride.  

Anyways...is there any point in wearing an HR strap during the IM run?  The only reason I can think of is to slow down or (gasp) walk if it gets way high or out of control.  But my sense of Perceived Exertion at X pace is pretty keen.  

Thoughts?

 

 

Comments

  • I wear mine for the IM run, but it's mostly for post race data analysis. But the strap doesn't bother me at all...
  • I like having the data. When racing I (and most of us) get way jacked up and having the monitor allows us to...........monitor that, and bring it in if necessary.
    One can be feeling great but hr generally doesn't mislead, where pe might.
    I like all the info I can get for long efforts where it is imperative to measure and conserve.
  • I wear my Garmin HR strap during the swim so I don't have to put it on when I bike (Joule recognizes it), and leave it on during the run (Garmin 305 recognizes it). It's def used as a secondary metric to power and pace, esp on hot texas days.
  • x2 what John said. Post race data is huge, totally huge. When folks come to me and say "hey I want to be X faster at Ironman and I went 10:30 last time" I say -- how did it go? what were your numbers? etc? not having HR would make that kind of review really hard to do...
  • I would counter by saying that, at this point, it may only confuse you. That is, you haven't seen HR, pace, and RPE together in one place for a long time so you won't really have a full idea of what exactly you're seeing. I know this would screw me up, personally, because I haven't seen my HR since about '06. I will likely go back to wearing an HR strap soon but I know I will have to make some big adjustments because I'm sure my body has made a lot of changes in 6yrs and my HR now could have very little relation to what I saw back in the day.

    Which is all to say that ^this^ would be a hullava thing to have going on in your head during and Ironman. Run what your brung, I sez.

  •  For the past 5-6 years (10 + IMs), I've taken my HR strap off in T2 (if I remember - sometimes I've handed it to my wife out on the course). I'm not saying there's a cause and effect, but my IM run times started dropping once I did that. Data that I ignore during a race include: time, speed, and HR. I no longer have speed on my bike computer, and my last IM, I did not start my watch at the swim start. But then, after 20+ IMs, I trust my RPE and internal control mechanisms over any "objective" data, and YMMV.

    I do still believe in watts on the bike, however! But maybe because I'm really only 2 years into using power for racing, which leads me to believe that Patrick's point is well taken - gather all the data you can, and review it after the fact. That speeds the learning process. Eventually, you may get to the point where the data during the race is no longer needed to push/rein in yourself.

  • Jim, same here. Since working over past several years at pace using EN, I haven't worn one on runs. Not crazy about the thing around my chest during running. I do however use one on all rides so I can go back and review hr relative to watts. See next week. Bill
  • When I started training for triathlons, I only had HR. Since then I've added pace and power, but have continued to track HR. I find I never really look at it on the bike, but it does serve as a useful secondary gauge for me on the run, and I do look at it as I run. Sometimes I will notice it is out of whack for a given pace, and make me think about what might be wrong.

    I raced Rev3 Quassy HIM a couple of weeks ago. I went into the race not 100%, battling a bug and on antibiotics (probably should not have raced in retrospect). There are some serious uphills on the run course, making pace not ideal. In addition I was not really mentally into the race, and my RPE was totally out of whack - it all felt too hard! I decided to focus on heart rate - from training runs I knew what range I should be able to hold for the half marathon. So I modified my pace to hold that HR, and instantly felt better. My average pace probably even increased. I think it was partially mental - being in a zone I knew I could hold and not paying attention to RPE and self doubts - and physical, by eliminating surges in effort going up steep hills. In many ways pace is not at all like power - who tries to hold the same speed on a bike up and down hills???

    Anyway, this worked great for a couple of miles, an then my HR strap died! Bummer! In the end a long, tough run for me, but I learned HR, for me, is still very useful on the run.
  • Oh yeah - I hardly ever notice the HR strap during a workout or race. But as soon as its over I'm like "get this damn thing off me!!"
  •  I can't stand the HR strap on the run; and I think that the answer mostly depends upon how you train and connect performance with RPE...ie. How well do you know your body....Al certainly knows it well enough...others need more or less external data points to differentiate/manage effort & rpe.  I use both power and hr on the bike...still trying to connect the dots there...but on the run I only use pace.  

    If you have trained with HR & Pace and have good correlation between HR/Pace/RPE and results then you can probably dispense with the with one of the 3...you decide.  But unless you really know yourself have RPE + one other validation point at a minimum is important.

    For me monitoring  both pace and hr would be more confusing than anything...and then on top of that the damned strap would drive me nuts.

     

  • Since I tend to race in the heart, I use my run HR as a check of what is going on biologically during the long run. My pace and RPE can swing significantly when the temps go from 90 - 100 degrees. However, I can use my heart rate to make sure that my body is not starting to react negatively to the additional stressors. However, if you don't normally race in those conditions or use this type of feedback, it is just more useless information.
  • Yes. The strap doesn't bother me and for shorter races I will swim with it on so I don't have to waste time in T.. I roll with a 405 so I'm not using it with my PT set up as it doesn't talk PT talk. I like to know when I'm Z4/ with HR hitting Z5 up to not looking at it anymore more cause I'm off the charts in blow up land the last mile or 2...
  • Nope. I train with one frequently, but when I race (short, intermediate or long), it's strictly by RPE. I don't use a Garmin on the run either...just my trusty Timex Ironman watch.
  • Yes.  Wear it for every bike and run workout, even on the trainer or dreadmill.

  • If you're forgoing HR to rely on a garmin-ized pace number at CDA, I would argue that on that run course, your actual GPS min per mile pace is pretty much irrelevant. I can think of about 400m of the course where the road isn't going up, down or all around.

    But I'm a Belt-and-Suspenders kind of guy, and like my pace-HR-RPE everywhere.

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