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Ensure as race day breakfast

I've been doing 2 bottles of Ensure at 2AM for my RRs.  That's got 700 cals, 22 g fat (mono & poly mainly), and 26 g protein.  However, listening to the nutrition webinar has me rethinking it.  He talks alot about avoiding things that don't make you go faster...

Originally, I thought the reference was to protein.  But the recommended breakfast (applesauce + 1 scoop of whey) has about the same amount as 2 Ensures: ~26 g.

Now I'm thinking it's the fat.  If so, what is the risk of consuming that much fat at 2AM on Ironman morning?

Like I said, it's worked in training but I'm curious about what the risks of Ensure are on IM day.  

If it's relevant, I'm a 34 YOM 133#.

Thanks.

Matt

 

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  • I'm a fan of the Naked Fruit smoothies. They don't have that much fiber as long as you choose right. Protein or not as you prefer. Not near as disgusting to chug as Ensure.

    The story on Protein is that it's supposed to put off the feeling of hunger. That's the reason there's a touch of it in many of the InfiniT formulations. But it doesn't take much.

    Other than this I am not that helpful on your specific question about Ensure. Sorry.
  • Not much of a role for fat to help you on race day morning. If you want to compare them, add up CHO, Na, Protein, Fat, and calories, and remember, the recommended breakfast was applesauce, whey protein, a banana, and a bottle of sports drink. I'd guess the Ensure doesn't hold up re: the Sodium, meaning you'd still need the sports drink, but now you're way up on the CHO. But I don't have all the info in front of me right now.
  • Two thoughts:

    1. Personally I like using Ensure before races. The calorie density is outstanding (and I don't even do the "plus" ones that you clearly are). My breakfast on HIM race morning is an Ensure and a Clif Bar. In other words, a good amount of calories including some solid food too, but skewed to liquid. This works well for me. Also -- and maybe the Ensure has nothing to do with it -- but I have no problem losing a final bit of weight before the gun goes off, if you know what I mean...which is my biggest race-morning stressor.

    2. You are racing your first ironman in 2 weeks. You have done several RR's. In your last RR you did the Ensure thing and it worked perfectly. If you change your plan now you are nuts. Plain and simple nuts. Try a new technique before Vegas or, preferably, an even lower-stakes race. But not before IMMT. That is taper craziness talking to think about changing stuff now, really.
  • I'm no food expert but 2x what Matt said about not changing anything for an IM that has worked in your race rehersals.  Go with what has worked and have one less thing to worry about.  Experiment later.

  • Slow down guys, I have no plans to change anything, just curious about the effects of that level of fat on IM day. The question is about the short-term effects of a high fat meal on race day. As I understand it, over a long term, high fat diets lead to bad things: obesity, heart disease, etc. They also may impair mental faculties. But in the short-term, what do they do? They convert to energy slower than carbs but when consuming them at 2AM, does it matter? Is that actually a positive? Does the very-short-term bloating effect of high fat foods carry over 5 hours to a race? That's the kind of stuff I'm curious about. My experience shows no discernable downside effects to two Ensures though.
  • ...and upon putting it in more context of the webinar, his beef may be the high glycemic index which would spike blood sugar and not the protein or fat. But then this question applies: does a blood sugar spike 5 hours before a race matter? I remember the old stories of Lance et al eating bagels, rice, spaghetti, etc when they were training just to spike the blood sugar...

  • I don't do the 2am thing so for the the Ensure goes down the hatch more like 3 hours before I start to swim. So maybe I get the benefit of the spike???
  • I've been doing the regular Ensure for a year or two. Before that, I experimented with bagels, bananas, sports drink, apple sauce, powerbars, etc. I have stayed with ensure because it's easy to transport to the race site, it doesn't go bad or get squashed, the calorie content is easily measured, and it goes down pretty easy in the morning when I'm a little nervous. I can easily pound down 750 calories of ensure before a race. As far as the fat goes, a little fat helps the body feel full, like protein I guess. And it's my understanding that the body burns a mixture of fuels during exercise, so I'm not sure that the fat gets in the way of anything, as long as you don't drink a bottle of Crisco. So, in my experience, Ensure is not a bad way to go.

    I am, however, going to work with the apple sauce and whey, etc., to see if there is anything that works better for me. I am still very much trying to learn an optimal nutrition strategy for IM distance races. I think my biggest step forward so far has been the discovery of salt pills.
  • My $.02, I have used ensure/boost for my previous 4 IMs mainly as a fuel and always as a breakfast but just one serving. I have trimmed the amount back yearly as the fat/protien content backed up over the long haul (as I have removed peanut butter from my bagel as well). This year, however, I am moving the ensure to my 230am feeding and trying out perform/power bars only during bike to minimize the fat/protien intake while exerting effort.

  • I usually do two bottles of regular Ensure on race morning. Never had issues.

    I usually do two bottles of Ensure, applesauce, waffle and some Gatorade.
  • Interesting that you mention waffles. If I can get a waffle and some syrup, it is my favorite pre-race meal. It's also really good the day after a race. They are sweet, easy on the stomach, and keep hunger away longer than a pure liquid diet, at least for me. When I have a fridge and microwave, I'll pick up a box of frozen waffles and a bottle of syrup at walmart and keep it at the hotel.
  •  Semi related.  Tremblant has honeystinger waffles on the course.    Fair amount of fat in them.    Does not seem like a good in race choice.

  • FWIW, I also use two bottles of Ensure as a race day breakfast, and only that. Very compact and efficient. I find it's much easier than eating a "real" breakfast and worrying about chewing/swallowing fast enough so that all the calories go in before race start. image
  • Posted By robin sarner on 07 Aug 2012 09:22 AM

     Semi related.  Tremblant has honeystinger waffles on the course.    Fair amount of fat in them.    Does not seem like a good in race choice.



    I'm a big fan of Honey Stinger Waffles during a race for the bike portion.

  • I'm looking at the alternatives here: 2-3 cans of Ensure is 500-750 calories. On the other hand, if we go with the applesauce, whey protein, a banana, and a bottle of sports drink breakfast, that sounds like about 400 calories (if we are dealing with about normal servings). That sounds really low to me. Do I need to add a sports bar or something? Normally before an IM I would try to take over !,000 before the race (3 cans ensure, 250 calories of sports drink, maybe a yogurt or something that goes down easy). Is there a webinar somewhere that I need to look at? Frankly, I'll try anything if it will prevent stomach distress.
  • for a 150lb guy, they recommend 3.5 cups of applesauce (350 cal), a scoop of whey (120 cal), a banana (150 cal) and a bottle of sports drink (150 cal). Sounds to me like close to 800 calories.
  • Folks, I would think of it this way: have you ever bonked in an ironman before? As in, did you fade on the run OR did your gut shut down? If you can answer yes to either of those, then you need to start thinking about what it means to fix your nutrition. And that starts by working backwards (what did you eat on the run...then the bike...then pre-swim)....and then back to breakfast, and your pre-race meals.

    Fat is just hard to digest and has zero discernable ergogenic effect on same-day endurance exercise...if you read the side of your Ensure it's say's it's "great to promote weight gain!"....not your race day goal.

    As others have noted, there are easy ways to get cals that aren't Ensure: applesauce protocol requires no cooking; or you could replace those CHOs with a bagel perhaps. But if you go back on the Core Diet stuff, there is minimal fat/fiber starting 2 days out....IOW, you need to have a very clean system heading in to the race.

    In addition to Honey Stingers, the Bonk Breaker bars can have 8-12g of fat in them as well...I would avoid on race day!!!
  • Everyone has to figure out what works for them.

    N=1

    I ate a pint of blueberries the day before a HIM. Needless to say, I was literally in the woods every mile of the run. I do not normally eat that much blueberry fruit at once. That was BAD.

    If I do not eat salad EVERY DAY as I have since I was a child, I will get "bound up" and not be as "light" as possible on race day. The bloating and cramping are not worth skipping something that my system is well adjusted to seeing EVERY DAY. So despite all of the cautions. I eat salad the day before a race, including Vineman 10 days ago.
    Because I develop a nervous stomach 12-24 hours before race time, I tend to live off liquid calories for that time. I prefer to rely on Bolthouse Farms Soy Protein shakes, or Odwalla in a pinch.

    I was barely able to choke down a banana hours before Vineman. Instead I had 720 calories of protein shake.

    I trained in RR with a 1/2 bar of Bonk Breaker every hour on the bike stopping 1 hour before the run. I had more mental clarity on long rides and in the race than ever before. For the run I switched to ShotBlocks and Powerchews.

    Of course I am no where near trying to KQ. I am happy to be out there doing what I love.
  • I may be too simple here, and I have not done a full IM, but before other races and endurance events, even big workouts, I stick to the same thing that eat every morning. It is just part of my ritual and actually calms me down before the start. I know it works and I know my body expects it. it is not exciting, but it is a bankable routine.

    Every morning with exercise planned is a scoop of protein with water (120 cals), 2 pieces of Light wheat bread toasted with "Better than Butter" spread and sugar free jelly (200) and some fruit, usually a small apple (60 cals). If there is no exercise planned I take out 1 piece of toast and spread to remove the extra 100 calories.

    It is simple, travels well and is the same everyday......
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