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How Little Swimming Before IM if Good Swimming?

I have turned the corner from doing lots and lots of swim volume (and having my slowest race ever in the water) to cutting back to 2 swims a week that are between 1500 and 2000 but are all on great form. I am 95% sure I have "fixed" my right arm catch and am enjoying some great speed...but there is that pesky endurance question. I have time over the next 5-6 weeks to add more swimming, just wondering how aggressive you think I should be.  Goals are to have a good race but really testing the minimalist thing....thanks!

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  •  If I relate it to run training....I think you need one more swim per week focused strictly on endurance/distance...of up to 75% of race volume...2700m or so...focusing on form as you are doing......and continue with the lower volume/strict form focus ...alternative...i think you could keep 2 workouts/per week...one short 1500...the other alternating 2000 and a longer version...progressing up to 2700-3000 .....just ideas..

  • I find I'm at my best from a swim perspective when I have better endurance. Which is probably more relevant for us non-lifetime swimmers.
  • I went the minimalist route prior to IMLP, and I can count on one hand the number of times I swam between December 2011 and IMLP on July 22:

    Dec 3, 2011 - 2700 yds (pool)
    March (forget the date), 2012 - 2700 yds (pool)
    May 27, 2012 - ~2.4 miles (open water)
    June 10, 2012 - ~2.4 miles (open water)
    July 7, 2012 - ~2.4 miles (open water)
    July 20, 2012 - ~1.2 miles (EN swim)

    Ok, so that requires two hands. My point is this - I focused on nothing but form when swimming over the past two years, with the idea of setting mechanics into muscle memory, then being able to back-burner swim training to work on the bike and run, and then during the last few weeks swim the full 2.4 miles more as mental training to get used to swimming for over an hour. My swim time was 1:15 @ IMLP - so not fantastic, but not bad either. I don't believe anything I would have done in the two months prior to the event would have made any difference - especially when you consider the variables inherent of a mass swim start. Since it sounds like form, and not fitness, has been your focus as of late - you could probably scale back to just a handful of swims from now until then and be fine.

  • I would add one more swim a week between 3,000 - 4,000. Speed is good but I think with swimming you can lose fitness/endurance quicker than with running or biking. I don't cut back swim volume until about 10 days out from race.
  • I'd suggest that on a minimalist plan, the only goal for swim training should be to do enough training that you don't get out of the water feeling tired by your effort at race pace. This can be accomplished by either a) doing some longer intervals/OWS to get the muscles more ready to work for that duration, or b) moderating your pace on race day to the ridiculously easy. Since I'm not sure you have "b" in you ;-), I'd suggest taking one of your weekly workouts and upping the number and duration of intervals to better prep for 65 minutes of swimming. While swimming more than 2x would help, I don't believe that it is 'necessary' within a minimalist plan (see the experience of Ryan above and me in 2010).
  •  My two cents... The more you swim, the easier it is on race say. I'd add a good 800-1000 warm up on each of your 2 current weekly swim session, and focus specifically during the WU on dps. Meaning pick a number 1-2 stokes/length fewer than your "good form" #, and swim until you cant hit it anymore, say 200yds. Rest 30 s or so, then go again. My thought is this will build the swim specific arm strength  at the end of the pull to get you through the swell in the bay. I used to do this up until about4-5 years ago, and as I aged, I saw my IM swim get stronger.

    Full disclosure ... I'm not doing that now ... I'm just following the plan you wrote!

  • As you said, " pesky endurance question " is that question the same for the bike and run as applied to swimming ?

    Interesting post looking for some more team feedback on this one.

    @ Ryan... wow
  • KISS...........Treat it like the bike and run that is what I have learned at EN.... 3 swims minimum....1 long for endurance(this is like .70-.75)....1 various medium distance intervals 300-1000yds...(these are like FTP).....1 short intervals 25's,50's,100's,200's (Ontime 120% or anaerobic work).... Any other swimming is done as recovery or just swimming along....

    I usually pick and choose or combine one of the EN swim workouts per week to do in the pool and the longer ones OWS.

    I've worked pretty hard on my swim this year starting in OS with 2 swims per week(45min sessions) 1 being the short hard intervals(anaerobic) and the other being the 500's-1000's 7-16min FTP like sessions. Then adding alot of volume and distance in the OWS during the season. Did it work? Yes but not by much. My swims are only slightly faster than last year BUT they are taking less out of me for the bike and the run. So ROI is fairly low which we all know already BUT its still ROI and hard to really measure.
  • I have found that swimming is mostly a technique thing. And that if I can swim a 1,000 yds, I can basically swim 2.4 miles at roughly the same pace with no real additional fatigue. I never swim in the OS and almost never swim more than 1x a week during the season.

    Coach P, at your swimming speed and swimming ability, I'd be surprised if you needed anything more than 1 swim a week lasting ~1hr in total (including W/U, drills, some technique stuff, 30 mins of hard sets and a short cool down). If you do this then move to 2x of this per week during your 2.5 weeks of taper, you'll be fine. I'll bet with this minimalist approach, your swim time will be within 90 seconds of your "normal" swim time (maybe faster, maybe slower) and you will have forgotten about the swim by mile 3 of the bike...
  • I suspect you're swimming 2x per week because that's all the time you feel like committing to it. If yes, then I think you should tack on a extra 20-30' onto each session, per Al, as warmup, cool down type stuff (just yardage) and focus on swimming very, very fast. Like 100 hard, 50 easy, over and over again. Sets like those are a great ROI.
  • Folks, great feedback here...thank you. As Coach Rich noted, it's not a performance thing, it's a desire thing. I am a bit worn down right now and work/life friction is SUPA HIGH (working for yourself is sooooooooo easy, not). I did an OWS today of about a mile, 2 x 800, and was pretty much 30" behind the usual crew. What was different was that in the past I fall off from the start and slowly fade back. This time I was with them for 1/2 of the trip, then my weaknesses built up and I fell back. So kind of a silver lining there. I think adding some more swims in the last 2 weeks will be beneficial, but for now will do as Al / Rich have suggested, adding 1.5k to the workout on the front/back end and continue the quality stuff in the middle. Thanks!
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