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IMFL RR1

Hi Team,

No big questions here, just wanted to post to see if anyone could see anyhting I'm missing. Always open to learn and execute better.

FYI I don't use WKO (mac user) and I had a fight with the not so user friendly cheetah and lost... : )

SO I'm left with Garmin Connect and have downloaded IMFL RR1. 

 

  • Age: 38, Weight: 142lbs, FTP 250 (tested a 278 on a slight incline, trained with 250, over the last 8 weeks been hitting training zones of an FTP of 255, but want to race with a 250!
 
 
  • Saturday morning I woke and my body pretty much felt like shit. This "felt" like the toughest ride i've had in a while. It began hard and just got harder and harder. Can you call the entire ride a "bonk"? So I put my head down, focused on form, nutrition, hydration and slugged away at the miles. But, at 5 hours into it something magically happened, my legs started to feel strong again and they were turning over the way they usually do. Could have been a shot of adrenaline excited to run.
  • Run felt easy and great!
 
  • Bike: wanted to hold IF .70, but couldn't IF=.68, TSS=255, wanted to hold NP of 175, but couldn't (nutrition was what I successfully used for BBW of 450 miles, 215cal/hour) and 3.6 litres of water. Pee'd 3 times.                      http://connect.garmin.com/activity/225776886
 
  • Run: First mile legs were tight, focused on form, turn over and nutrition, by mile 4 it felt very easy, leg is 85% healed from stress fracture, the walk breaks of 15 sec. help a lot. Didn't run for 9 weeks, just began again 3 weeks ago and had my longest run this year on Thursday for 135 mins.                                                      http://connect.garmin.com/activity/225776892
 

Look forward to ANY insights and feedback team EN. Thanks!

Comments

  • Was wondering about your nutrition on the bike? At your weight you could have up to 80 gms of carbohydrate per hour — which (depending on the source of your cals) could be 360 cals per hour.

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  • Sukhi-
    Impressive RR!! For not feeling well the bike #'s look great.

    I am a bit confused with your FTP though. You state you tested at a 278 but it was on a slight incline but you are wanting to race at 250 even though you have been hitting 255 #'s. So why not go with the 278 FTP. (4.3 vs 3.8 watts/kg) If you tested at that then go with it. For only riding at .68 IF you had a nice bike split.

    Just curious of your vDOT? Nice 10K run you put together off the bike. What time are you targeting for your marathon?
  • @Peter, Thx for the link, I will listen to it and make adjustments accordingly. I feel that nutrition is an ongoing journey that can always be improved.

    @Carl, My FTP is interesting. I'm a former college/junior hockey player and have the ability to truly bury myself on tests like this. Been VO2 max testing since I was a kid. IT appears that as a result of this my FTP tests high in that I can't hold any of the training paces at FTP of 278. Coach R told me since I live in an area where flats don't exist I had to test on a gentle incline. He said in doing that I should subtract 10% of that FTP to get a more accurate/realistic number (278-27.8=250).

    I just began training with power in March 2012 and going with an FTP of 250 I could hold the training zones for Z2 and Z3 long sets and Z4 intervals. Yet when it comes to Z5 work my FTP is better represented at 278. As I've become stronger on the bike I've now increased my FTP to 255 and can hold Z2, Z3 and Z4 at their respective watts (barely and most of the time, if I'm feeling off it's not happening) and Z5 looks more like an FTP of 290. My goal was to execute RR1 at an FTP of 250 and RR2 at 255 and see how I felt, compare TSS and see how well I ran.

    The run! My Vdot is just over 60. I raced 3 HIM this summer, had 2 PR's but was left with a stress fracture from those weekly sub 6 minute intervals. Yes I got faster but crossed the line. I'm an exercise physiologist and chiropractor and have the best resources in health care available. It was a 9 week journey of no running and healing. I kept up with swims and doubled up on my weekly FTP rides. Started running 3 weeks ago, almost pain free. Here's the deal with the run. I can't do any interval work (no Z2-Z5). SO instead I start at slightly slower than my Z1 of 7:20 and get slightly faster to negative split. It doesn't feel like I've lost any aerobic fitness on the run, but I have lost neuromuscular fitness. If I run slower than my Z1 and there's no interval work I create a neuromuscular pattern to run at that pace. By hitting Z1 and slightly faster I create a neuromuscular pattern to run at that pace. This conclusion was made after speaking with friends (a Neurologist, Sports med doc, Chiropractor and Physiotherapist). I've never been injured (as an endurance athlete) and never entered a race "feeling" this undertrained on the run.

    My goal run time at IMFL is 3:10-3:15. Open to any insights on all of this. Since my TSS was low (TSS=255) and shows that I left a lot on the table still (according to the Fatigue Loading Scores Chart), and confirmed with how well I felt on the transition run. I'm thinking for RR2 to try and hold NP 180 (FTP 250=IF.72, FTP 255=IF.70.5)
  • Incredible journey, with the stress fx and all. I'm blown away at well you do with racing as often as you do. Incredible focus.

    I can relate to the FTP tweaks based on similar circumstances. My ego would love to plug in the 'Calculated' FTP, but having done several wko's and now 1 rr, I'm going to stay conservative, also, so that I may have a decent run for a change.

    Good job.
  • Wow is all I can say about your progress and speed on your good and bad days, just incredible. You are absolutely going to kill that IMFL course!
  • @Chris, THanks! Yup we have to keep that ego in check. In the end nobody asks what your FTP is, they simply look at swim, bike, run and do the math. I've learned that a 5 min. faster bike split can cost you 15-30 minutes on the run. We must ride the ride we should ride... : )

    @Attila, THanks for the kind words! Been running marathons and ultra-marathons since 2006,and began multisport in 2009. Persistence and patience is the name of the game, each year builds on the last one with smart training and recovery. I'm looking forward to IMFL.

    Look forward to meeting you both!
  • Sukhi- Couple of thoughts:
    1) you could probably take in a few more calories on the bike. Is is probably worth at least experimenting with on RR2. Maybe do the same as what you did here, but add a Powerbar at hours 2 and 4 or some little tweaks like that.
    2) no reason not to use at least that 180W number for your RR2. You can still only go with what your legs give you on the day but actual race day will be faster than your RR due to the energy of the day, legal drafting, real aid stations, no stopping at intersections, tricked out race setup, etc. That could be worth 15 or more minutes so your TSS on the bike will likely be even lower than the 255 you posted in your RR. So for that time and your run ability, even a 0.72 (of your conservatively low FTP estimate) should set you up for a great run.
    3) for the run... Wow... Go get it kid! I really hope your leg gives you the 3:10 you deserve.
  • Thanks for the insights John. I'll give it a try for RR2. And yes, in IM I've always held back on the bike to set up a powerful run. I know i'm built for a course like IMFL and I'm doing a lot of mental work to go after it on the run and leave it all on the course. It's going to be FUN!
  • My only notes here are that speed on Ironman race day is more a function of nutrition than it is individual performance metrics from the past. As a lot of people who show up with high FTPs and view dots who don't race while. The differential between those numbers and raised a performance can be tied to one of 2 things: race execution and race nutrition. I agree that your calories are a little low, although I don't know your body type. For all I know, you are as tall as that little person in your profile picture estimation point he deftly want to make sure you're getting in 40 ounces of fluid in our, as a baseline, and I personally recommend that you use the Perform beverage on the course… That alone is 350 cal right there. Since your fitness is in such a great place, your work should be focused on making sure your nutrition is maxed out. over the next couple weeks I recommend testing more calories than your long rides and runs to see which you can sustain. A lot of times that fatigue you felt at the start of the bike on Saturday as a function of low-energy matched with low calories. See what you can take in and we'll see what you can go!
  • Posted By Patrick McCrann on 25 Sep 2012 08:18 AM

    ..... For all I know, you are as tall as that little person in your profile picture estimation point he deftly want to make sure you're getting in 40 ounces of fluid in our, as a baseline, and ...



    Did you run this thru Google Translator, or use Speech Recognition?

  • Hilarious Al! FYI... I'm opting out of a BTW. I really need to buckle down on my IM Bike race pace. That extra 3hr IM ride/week will enter my schedule and I may back off FTP rides/work as I've been doubling up on them for 10 weeks. What do you think?

    P-man... Thx for your insights, FYI....race height: 5'8, race weight: 142, % body-fat: 9.1

    I have been using perform and will experiment with "more". Question, I can only purchase the tub of Perform where I live, can't get the bottles, will the bottles of Perform at aid stations fit in a traditional bike cage? Great to know that 1 bottle has 350 calories. Your Opinion on 40 oz of fluid, is that water and nutrition fluid combined? or water by itself? Personally I get gut rot and hunger pains with fluid only, so I'll use my Honey Stingers to top up.

    You also wrote: "over the next couple weeks I recommend testing more calories than your long rides and runs to see which you can sustain." DId you mean testing more calories on my long rides and runs? or Back off my long rides and runs and focus on stuffing my face with as many calories as possible while not being so fixated on FTP, run pace etc...?

  • Sukhi, one bottle of perform is 175 calories two bottles equals 350. Patrick was saying 40 ounces of perform or two bottles that would equal 350 calories...
  • Thanks Nate. That helps. Any idea what flavour they have at IM events?
  • Sukhi, this was from the original press release when the product was introduced so I don't know if the flavors are still the same:
    New Ironman PERFORM ready-to-drink sports beverage will be available June 8, 2010 in three flavors—Lemon Lime, Orange Mango and Mixed Berry—via powerbar.com and shopironman.com for a suggested retail price of $1.49 per 20-fluid-ounce bottle.

    Originally from: http://ironman.com/mediacenter/pressreleases/ironman-and-powerbar-announce-new-sports-drink#ixzz27ZmSuxaO
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