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 Folks, you all had such a great day out there...but want more. I want to know that one burning question you have now that you have raced, such as:

  • How do I reset my stomach on the run?
  • How am I supposed to handle tough winds on the bike, etc.

Bascially, what you learned from the day that has left a burning question in your skull....let's make one big document for everyone....thanks!!!

 

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  • Biggest issue I had was that at mile 16, my stomach had a hard time taking in calories without needing 5-7 minutes of walking to keep from feeling somewhat upset.
    Could have been too many calories, but by that time I had been running for 2 hours and 45 minutes - and I think I took in my largest number of calories in the first hour.
    Could have been intensity, as I sped up from 10:30 min/miles during the first hour to 9:30 min/miles until the 2:45 mark, but heartrate was a very consistent 145 all during that time.

    I think dehydration played an issue as well - I spent all of monday taking in lots of liquids and it took a while for them to finally start coming back through.
  • My biggest issue was my stomach on the run-and this is a problem Ive had for my past few Ironman races. Ive really felt that Ive worked on nutrition-but apparently Im not there yet. My stomach went south around mile 8 of the run. I stuck to my nutrition plan closely on the bike and beginning of the run-still, around mile 8, I started feeling extremely bloated, crampy, and then the bathroom stops began (no need for further discussion there...Im sure you get the idea). I tried to go with coke, a few pretzels, etc...but nothing was sitting. It ruined my run. This has happened before and I really want to get to the bottom of this-I cant run to my potential because of nutrition, and its getting frustrating image And FYI it was not overexertion on the bike-my watts stayed in Zone 1 the whole ride.

    And early on in the run-I started off Z1+30sec for the first 6, then when I tried to speed up, the stomach went south.
  • I still am not sure what you said for a side stitch. It did end up going away about 2 miles out and I just kept following my plan. My nutrition plan worked flawlessly. I'll post in my race report for everyone--
  • How do I prevent nausea on the run?

     

    This was my 3rd IMLP.  I have a dichotomy of emotion regarding my race.  I PR'd by 30 minutes this year, but for the 3rd year in a row I experienced nausea that forced me to walk on the run.  I am really happy with my time, but I am really frustrated that I felt like crap AGAIN!

    I thought in the past two years that I went too hard on the bike and paid for it on the run, but this year I stayed in my box on the bike and the run.  I actually biked 8 minutes slower this year (even though I logged almost twice as many bike miles this year during training).  I figured that a slower time would be ok because I was going to be able to run a 9 min/mile for the entire 26 miles, but at mile 12 I got nauseus again and had to walk.

    I did not have stomach cramps or pain.  I did not have musculoskeletal pain.  I just felt like I was going to throw up!  I had approx. 1700 calories on the bike and 6 bottles of water.  I read the IMLP race execution in the Wiki and had water, perform, and coke on the run (liquids only as recommended)

    I ended up in the medical tent and lost only .2 lbs so they determined I was hydrated.  My BP dropped to 82/50 which is why I was in the medical tent (almost passed out).

    Hydrated, stayed in the box, stuck to nutrition plan.....and still nauseus.  Ugh!

  • How to go about pre-planning an Option B (or C... or even D) for nutrition on the run. Within the first two aid stations, I realized that Perform was no longer in my best interests and had to adapt from there. Had some Infinit and salt pills (but not enough) and switched basically to coke and water... and eventually chicken broth by about Mile 18 (which was a godsend!). Not sure I was getting enough electrolytes and was kinda making it up as I went along (in my little box). I was able to run the entire race - except for aid stations - but could have probably done better even with the warm conditions.

  • My issue was with leg cramping on the bike within the last 11 miles of lap 2 - took me almost an hour to get back to transition image During my last race rehearsal I had the exact same issues after approaching the 6hr mark on the bike. My heart rate was way too high the entire rehearsal (z4/z5), which i put down to a couple factors:
    1. recently side lined due to a virus 3 weeks earlier
    2. bike crash 1 week earlier requiring me to order new aero bars for my bike - parts weren't avail in time for rehearsal so LBS set me up with super extra long ones meant for a giant!
    3. Extra hot day!

    I assumed the stress combined with the high heat and high HR caused me to burn calories faster than my previous RR. Focus for race day bike was to focus on keeping HR low, stay hydrated, increase calories and salt from RR. Race day everything was going great until the last out and back my adductors started locking up...to the point where I couldn't pedal. I had no choice but to get off the bike and wait it out. Is it possible the issue isn't electrolyte/hydration but rather my position on the bike? All I wanted to do was stretch out my legs on the down pedal of each stroke...I felt as though I was too scrunched on race day. Once I finally made it back into town for the run I was gun-shy and afraid to push even the slightest bit for fear of cramping again image Walked more than half my run, I'm sad to say. It's 4 days post race and I don't even feel as though I raced on Sunday. Clearly I didn't push hard enough....my burning question is...did I not push hard enough because I couldn't or because I chose not to image

  • I had a combination of problems. The one question I have is training here in MI is relatively flat. I have short steep hills nothin longer really than maybe a half mile. When riding the bike course at LP. Does the continued uphill climb even at the proper geared watts place different torque on your biking muscles? If so what would be a better way to prep for a course like Placid to handle the climbing better?
  • I had a "bad stomach" from mile 12.5 on - my fault, I was only drinking water. It was a new nutrition plan for me and it didn't work.

    What did learn? When I get that sloshy feeling in my stomach and I've only been drinking water I need to switch to warm colored liquid and solid food to reset my gut.
  • Similar to Natalie - leg cramps from mile 95ish onwards. (This did not happen during my RR's). I'm thinking it has do with the following...maybe ??? I said to myself early on in the bike "self, its really hot out here, maybe you should take in a bit more water". Which I did do, but did NOT adjust my Enduralyte intake.(btw I guess I should mention I don't take separate salt tabs).So I was basically diluting the electrolyte intake that I had practiced successfully on the RR's and that came back to bite me...otoh i did not pee on the bike, only when I got to T2 and it was dark yellow, so dehydrated also ? Cramps got worse when the run started, basically had to limp/hobble the first five miles until I got it sorted with chicken broth from the aid stations and more Enduralytes.

    Is there a burning question in the above ramble ? I dont know. I guess its "how do I go about figuring out what my hydration/electrolyte/sodium strategy should be, given the failure of my race day plan?". I like Hammer products generally but is their anti-sodium stance a bunch of nonsense ?
  • Followed prerace nutrion plan B and that went very well overall. I also stayed away from fiber for 2 days prior... all that said, I still had to drop a load in T2 which cost 4 minutes (many porta joihns had no TP by the time T2 came along)... should I fuel earlier in the morning instead of 3:30am?
  • @Ryan, I 'd want to know what happened to your HR on the run…can you share?

    @Lauren, same thing…what happened to your HR and what did you eat on the bike?

    @Dottie, it's usually a breathing issue / core strength issue…I'd've walked it out and gently stretched…but you still killed it!

    @Lisa, what did you eat on the bike?

    @Paul, knowing a few things can help. (A) how many calories you are supposed to take in per hour, so you can find alternative means of food. (B) how much fluid you have been taking in prior to the meltdown -- you on pace for the day or behind? (C) how much sodium you need per hour and both how you can get it and how you have been doing thus far. Sounds like you could have used some more sodium with the loss of Perform.

    @Natalie, I suffer from adductor cramps too…it's not the fit, for me it's because they are insanely weak. My quads are tight, etc….so eventually when the hips get tired, the adductors want to help but it's like adding my pinky to a pushup…they just give. Lots of core work for me and ART to loosen them up. Can be debilitating….don't beat yourself up!!!

    @Eric, not really…it's all about power and managing effort. If the hills are too "steep" you can sit up and spin. I would probably integrate some big gear / lower cadence work in the 65-80 rpm range to get used to pushing with resistance…but that's it!

    @Cary, a hard way to learn an important lesson…but you'll be ready next time and you have helped so many others by sharing!

    @Rich, from your report you did not drink enough for race day by far…perhaps enough for an RR but not for LP in the heat. And the fact you didn't have additional salt to add (not endurolytes, they are not enough) means you couldn't adjust. Per the nutrition webinar, Hammer products don't have enough sodium across the board. Not sure if that caused your cramp, but it definitely means you were operating sub-capacity for sure.

    @David, that food isn't from the AM, it's from the day before. I'd go to a bigger Sat breakfast, moderate lunch, very light dinner….powerbar as a snack btw lunch/dinner…sipping sports drink, etc….that should do you right.
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