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January OS Week 5 training thread

Hey, welcome to the first day of February!!!  .....

 

*this is what my tng week will look like

Monday:  scheduled rest day but I just took off Sat/sun due to snow so I ran 3ish miles today to test out piriformis, it felt good.  I ran on grass last week and tried out the pavement this week.  Had PT today.

Tuesday:  bike and I hope to as weather will be a high of 45 outside, swim at lunch.  *I will ride a bit longer as I can't get in all of this Sat ride in. 

Wednesday:  I hope to do Thurs bike this day cuz rain coming in on thurs. *

thursday:  Run, swim at lunch, and do "PT: exercises in gym

Friday:  Run (I am not worrying about intensity or other just time back in my shoes this week!)

Saturday:  work day blazing mt bike trails.. gotta count for something, will pack mt bike but not sure how many miles.

Sunday:  possible tri bike ride the Tues workout.. before church

 

thought I would post since I know some of you are "easing" back into running.  I hope you have a good day!  m

 

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  • Well my week started out with a FTT as I am in week 14 on the bike and only week 4 on the run.  It's definitely a different balance than my OS group had to deal with.  The test went great I felt strong going in to the final 10' and pushed really hard. 

    My new FTP is 220 up 19 watts from week 8 which is a 9% increase.  My watt/kg has gone up from 2.0 (week 8) to 2.2, partly because of the training and the weight loss.

    Thursday's bike should be a challenge with the new numbers, but before then I have to get out skiing.

    Gordon

  • Nice work Gordon, new zones 4 U. Work freaking works
  • @Marianne - I like the schedule and am impressed with your discipline in dealing with the piriformis. Hope you have a breakthrough week of healing that thing.

    @Gordon - awesome bump in the FTP! I keep peeking in to the Nov OS threads and am constantly inspired by everyone's gains. Our group will be there soon enough!

    Let's see some results from today's workout, folks. Personally, I was not feeling it mentally as I walked into the cave this morning. The stupid snow plow woke me up 30' before my alarm was to go off and I couldn't get back to sleep, so I was starting with a lack of focus. However, I got it done, but I really suffered. My legs are shredded. I think the easy elliptical workout at lunch will feel good.

    2 x 15' @ 290 & 293, then 12' @ 242 (.892 IF)

    Entire workout (217 watts):
    Duration: 1:06:03
    Work: 862 kJ
    TSS: 95.8 (intensity factor 0.933)
    Norm Power: 253
    VI: 1.16
    Pw:HR: 11.65%
    Pa:HR: 10.5%
    Distance: 21.081 mi
    Min Max Avg
    Power: 0 369 217 watts
    Heart Rate: 66 178 145 bpm
    Cadence: 59 134 87 rpm
    Speed: 2.5 23.6 19.2 mph
  • okay.... so in the 30's here and well it just felt cold! you know how you think, huh? it is warmer out there,, then you get to ride start and think NOPE it is cold!!! well that was me.... sorry I did 2 x 12' maybe it was 2 x 15'?? anyways, I had the hardest time getting mentally on the bike!!! then couldn't find the bike cleat in the car... I ahve so much winter gear strewn about, totally a mess in there!! but okay after searching for FOREVER, found the thing and put my warmers in there and 6 layers on top, probably shoulda had 5!!! and three on bottom, running tights over running tights!!! headed out... and the bridge was icy on bottom from residual snow so walked there but hit the road for some intervals!! windy on the way back and nobody out on their bikes but several runners. back at the car, the dog was in the kennel, patiently waiting so I only ran to two songs on the grass so he could run about!!! so checked off Tues bike but a bit shy of the "work"!!! I hope everybody else is getting in their bike workouts today!!! and are feeling well??? no wrecks in ditches?? no throwing up on traiiner?? and no all nighters working!! m
  • awesome job!

    happy to read the OS work arounds as some of us deal with injuries...

    I'm going to be starting week 3 on the bike tonight (just couldn't bring myself to get on the trainer at 5:30am).  Because of the cold weather and ice and snow I haven't been doing the brick runs as I'd hoped.  I've tried  to start easing back into running.  I plan to hit the gym tomorrow morning to try to jog for 25 minutes and finish the hour on the elliptical.  I'll do the same sort of drill for the Sunday run (running 25-30), perhaps finishing the hour in the pool doing kickboard work (the stitches are out and I can wear my static brace in the water and rest the one arm on the board while holding the other - I tested it out this past Sunday).

    In an ideal world I'll start week one of running next week while doing week 4 of biking...

    hope everyone is doing well!

  • Hi folks! it's great to see the walking wounded around here return to some running! I hope to join you all at some point.

    As for me, I've been cleared to bike again! YEEEEEEHAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!! I haven't sat on the bike in something like 8 weeks- so I'm REALLY rusty. There's no way I'm ready to pump out a 2x20 test. But I did hop on the trainer this morning and put up 30 min at and IF of 0.8 (that's .8 of what I my FTP was before the 8 week break). So I feel pretty good about my prospects for coming back quickly on the bike. I'm gonna be starting out at Week 1 for the bike workouts and will just make a guestimate of my FTP for now. So I'm gonna be a few weeks behind you all- but at least I'm back in the game a little!
  • @nemo welcome back to the game
  • Welcome back Nemo!

    @ Becky- I am not doing any BRicks lately. Not sure what your A race is and when you need to be really hitting it hard. But my first race is not until 6/19. I think skipping the BRicks when it is below 20 degrees is just fine. I am only running Wed and Sun. I am doing all of the other work for OS as planned, including core.
  • Run last night SUCKED. I took Fri/Sat off and worked the trainer Sunday so I went into the 2X1.5miles with not so fresh legs. Still, no way it should have been that tough. I'm beginning to think the treadmill I use (same one every time) is significantly faster then the speed I have set. I might try a different one tomorrow and see how it compares.
  • yep I hear you Becky.... if the grass is slippery with ice/snow then I don't run on it, if not, I can get in a run on the grass like last week! so "soft" surface and not every day and timing it for only 10' the first time helps me mentally to come up with a plan for reentry into running. soccer fields, and parks are my favorite areas! I also bought new shoes. I don't run any hills or intervals and I don't worry about pacing either. I over dress as I walk at the end as well plus I don't wanna run fast so overdressing helps with that! I am on week 2 of no piriformis pain! fingers crossed....I also do drills or other "aerobic" stuff out there that is not technically running but keeps me moving,, high kicks, grapevine, skipping, jumping and anything that is not the same as up and down running... backwards running, football stuff, like imagining a tire to hop back and forth on... and that way it "feels" like running and I can trick myself!! good luck to you..... Hooray Nemo on the biking!!! I have just been riding flats and next week will actually go UP a hill!!! again.... I don't want to add too much and hurt myself again!! but just do the intervals outside..... and I don't add on any mileage either! fingers crossed for all three of us gals!! m
  • @Nemo - You'll be back up to full speed in no time at all!
  • did the 4x1 today as 2x2 miles @TP


    Entire workout (6.21 min/mi):
    Duration: 41:41 (43:34)
    Work: n/a
    rTSS: 74.3 (0.992)
    NGP: 6:03 (266.1 m/min)
    VI: n/a
    Pw:HR: n/a
    Pa:HR: n/a
    Distance: 6.717 mi
    Min Max Avg
    Cadence: 78 88 84 rpm
    Speed: 3:46 0:00 6:07 min/mi
  • Becky - I haven't done the first brick. Not that that makes it ok - I just refuse to either change into dry clothes or go out soaking wet. I have also only been running 1x a week and doing elliptical 1x a week since I am coming off an injury.

    Glad Your able to get back on the bike Nemo!

    Jim - you are killing it!

    I had a good run yesterday, but am feeling the effects of it in my hip today  - darn it! I just don't know that I'll ever be able to handle training on the roads again . I just feel like I've been beaten with a stick afterward! I did ride today and felt good and had my first day of  .90 total IF

     Power-Tap #2:

     Duration:   12:04

     Work:       112 kJ

     TSS:        21.4 (intensity factor 1.031)

     Norm Power: 156

     VI:         1

     Pw:HR:       2.46%

     Pa:HR:       8.41%

     Distance:   4.08 mi

      Min Max Avg

     Power:        128 182 155  watts

     Heart Rate:   124 152 145  bpm

     Cadence:      78 90 82  rpm

     Speed:        19.2 21.4 20.3  mph

     Pace          2:48 3:07 2:58  min/mi

     Crank Torque: 124 189 160  lb-in

    Power-Tap #4:

     Duration:   12:06

     Work:       114 kJ

     TSS:        21.9 (intensity factor 1.041)

     Norm Power: 157

     VI:         1

     Pw:HR:       1.65%

     Pa:HR:       5.95%

     Distance:   3.948 mi

      Min Max Avg

     Power:        130 189 157  watts

     Heart Rate:   126 158 150  bpm

     Cadence:      75 83 79  rpm

     Speed:        18.7 20.4 19.5  mph

     Pace          2:56 3:12 3:04  min/mi

     Crank Torque: 141 207 169  lb-in

    Power-Tap #6:

     Duration:   15:12

     Work:       117 kJ

     TSS:        18.3 (intensity factor 0.851)

     Norm Power: 128

     VI:         1

     Pw:HR:       0.72%

     Pa:HR:       2.58%

     Distance:   4.793 mi

      Min Max Avg

     Power:        108 152 128  watts

     Heart Rate:   128 155 147  bpm

     Cadence:      80 119 91  rpm

     Speed:        18.1 19.6 18.9  mph

     Pace          3:04 3:18 3:11  min/mi

     Crank Torque: 85 145 119  lb-in

    Entire workout (129 watts):

     Duration:   58:20

     Work:       451 kJ

     TSS:        79.7 (intensity factor 0.906)

     Norm Power: 137

     VI:         1.06

     Pw:HR:       7.64%

     Pa:HR:       10.99%

     Distance:   18.048 mi

      Min Max Avg

     Power:        0 189 129  watts

     Heart Rate:   80 158 139  bpm

     Cadence:      58 131 86  rpm

     Speed:        4.7 21.4 18.6  mph

     Pace          2:48 12:52 3:14  min/mi

     Crank Torque: 0 207 129  lb-in

     

    and from my run yesterday

    Entire workout (158 bpm):

     Duration:   56:06

     Work:       n/a

     rTSS:        86.5 (0.915)

     NGP: 9:31 (169.2 m/min)

     VI:         n/a

     Pw:HR:       n/a

     Pa:HR:       9.02%

     Distance:   5.851 mi

     Elevation Gain:     493 ft

     Elevation Loss:    525 ft

     Grade:      -0.1 %  (-31 ft)

      Min Max Avg

     Heart Rate:   41 175 157  bpm

     Speed:        0 10.8 6.2  mph

     Pace          5:33 0:00 9:36  min/mi

     Altitude:     844 923 891  ft

  • Off to a strong start this week with a total IF for the 1-hour ride today of 0.93 and both 12' intervals above 1.0. Did the 20 minute brick to follow on the dreadmill with my Vibram VFF's.
  • Becky/Robin, I have yet to do a brick either. Mainly because I don't want to have to change cloths before I hit the street. Plus I need those cloths for my Wednesday run and don't want to have to wash them.

    Today's bike of 2x15 went well as first set was at 1.11% and second set was 1.108%. Total workout was 1.02. Feeling good!

    Good work everyone

    Welcome back Nemo! You'll catch us before you know it
  • Wed:; good job everybody, sorry Robin about the pain!!! I know what you mean....have a good day..
  • @ Nemo..congrats !! You will be back

    @Robin..You inspire me to get my WKO on this forum too. You are consistent ! My 2nd intervals is not that close !

    @Kevin.How is those Vibram ? I saw somebody running in them at Fleet feet's snowshoe 5k 2 weeks ago. It turned out to be a trail run because of lack of snow. Where did you get them ?

    I had good workouts yesterday. Biked early and even ran my brick. Hill repeats are a killer !All before 9am ! A new one for me. I will figure out how to get my WKO data on here !!

    I am doing a 5k snowshoe race tonight ! There is snow enough thank goodness !!

    Nathalie
  • @Chad - Sweet looking IFs! Keep crushing it.

    @Kevin - Nice brick. I'm curious about your Vibram FF experience too. I'm considering them

    @Dan - Impressive run workout! Can't wait until I can post some numbers like that again.

    @Nathalie - Good luck in the snowshoe race. Let's see some pics.

  • @Nathalie if you get a chance take some pics @ your snowshoe race and post 'em up for us. Good luck. I got a pair of snowshoes for xmas. I don't know much about using them except how to put them on.
  • Hmmm, Vibrams on a Treadmill. Somehow that seems like an odd pairing to me!

    @Robin- those are some solid numbers. I'm gonna bet you'll see a huge bump in your next FTP test!

    I went to the pool today and decided to swim instead of water-run. I'm watching the weather with great interest to see if I can get outside tomorrow to ride. I'm sooooooo excited to be able to get back on the bike again! I hope to be putting up some big numbers with the rest of you soon!
  •  @Nemo: I got my Vibrams back in August after suffering through IMLP with a calf injury that forced me to walk the entire marathon (essentially). It was an injury from April that I aggravated in July just before IMLP. I read "Born to Run" and decided "what the hell" on experimenting with the barefoot running. I must say that overall I think the experience has been positive. Although totally ass-backwards, running in the VFF's has seemed to really help my calves since it forces them through a wider range of motion (even if initially it really makes your calves sorer from working them too hard). It has also helped my knees and hips. Basically I use them for my brick runs and stick to regular shoes for longer runs. I know you are having a lot of calf issues so I thought I would post this up. It is only one man's experience though and it flies in the face of most conventional logic so I can't say I wholeheartedly endorse it for others, but then again if what you are doing isn't working, sometimes it just pays to try something else. 

    @Nathalie: I got mine at 123 Shoes in Penfield, but I think Medved has them in Pittsford now too. Definitely try them on before buying as the size is very individual and needs to be spot on.

  • My week started out good. I can feel the speed entering my body on the bike. I'm stuck on the trainer and the exercise bike at the club (I had some skin cancer treatment and I can't do outside workouts for a couple more weeks - I'm really getting sick of the treadmill). With only HR, I guess it's hard to tell, but I did my intervals at a higher resistance on the bike that I was able to a couple of weeks ago. I'm waiting for my powertap - sure will be glad when it comes - wheelbuilder said next week. Run is a different story. I'm wondering if I measured my vdot accurately since I can't hold the pace on the treadmill that I thought I had outside. But I'm getting my HR up to where it's supposed to be, so I guess I'm doing it right. The run today will probably be a better test since it's not after a hard bike.
  • Bob- glad to hear you are taking care of yourself- and although the treadmill sucks, just be glad you can run!

    Kevin- You can see the details in my "another calf issue" thread, but knowing what I know now- I'm sure vibrams & barefoot running would not do anything to help resolve my calf issues- they might actually make things worse! I'm sure they are good for some folks- just not me right now. I just thought it sounded humorous to have Vibrams (a "go natural" kinda thing) on a treadmill (a man made indoor kinda thing). Sorta like a hippie carrying a gun. It's not that the two couldn't go together- just seems like an odd couple. Well, it gave me a chuckle anyway!

  • I feel like it could be good - thanks Nemo. So glad your back on that bike, but probably no more than you are image!

    Took an unscheduled day off today. I woke up to my hip griping at me and a tender spot on the inside of my left knee = RED FLAGS all over the place. Sucks to have to do that when the Mojo is sky high, but I thought a bike or run would fall firmly under the category of STOOPID image!. They are having problems getting the chemicals blanced properly at the local pool and they keep it at about 85 anyway so I feel kinda like soft boiled triathlete that reeks of bleach when I emerge from that and so just decided to take the day off! Will see what tomorrow brings.

    Hope everyone else has had a good day image
  • didn't ride today... took 1 hour 20' to take kids to school!! (10' without any traffic!) due to something on the highway.. you can imagine, two kids and one dog all whining!! and me in bumper to bumper traffic, anyways, just enough time for a 3mile run with the dog in the fog... too foggy to see the slippery spots so didn't ride!! rain coming tomorrow so it might not happen tomorrow....maybe Friday.. will see.
  • Ok...trying to keep up with the forum. So far the OS is going great except for this crazy weather in Washington DC. I ran this morning in about 6 inches of snow, this is getting really interesting. I am a nurse at Children's Hospital and work the next 2 days, bad news is that we are in for over a foot of snow Friday-Saturday. I work Friday and last month when we had a over a foot of snow we were mandated to stay at the hospital. UGH! I have a feeling I will be stuck again. I think I may take my running shoes and run the stairs this time so I atleast get some sort of workout in. Keep up the good work everyone!
  • Great ride today, had a 2x15. 299, 296. Then took the dog for a run. Saw some wildlife while on trainer (turkey and deer). Then went outside to run with my dog and busted 5 pheasants. The name of my road is Nature Trail. I did snap this pic while riding right out the window

     

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    Power-Tap #1:

    Duration: 15:05

    Work: 270 kJ

    TSS: 26.7 (intensity factor 1.03)

    Norm Power: 299

    VI: 1

    Pw:HR: n/a

    Pa:HR: n/a

    Distance: 8.057 mi

    Min Max Avg

    Power: 218 380 299 watts

    Cadence: 86 129 93 rpm

    Speed: 30.3 33.9 32.0 mph

    Pace 1:46 1:59 1:52 min/mi

    Crank Torque: 164 345 272 lb-in



    Power-Tap #2:

    Duration: 3:59

    Work: 40 kJ

    TSS: 2.4 (intensity factor 0.602)

    Norm Power: n/a

    VI: n/a

    Pw:HR: n/a

    Pa:HR: n/a

    Distance: 1.947 mi

    Min Max Avg

    Power: 0 302 166 watts

    Cadence: 58 166 93 rpm

    Speed: 15 34.7 29.3 mph

    Pace 1:44 4:00 2:03 min/mi

    Crank Torque: 0 313 151 lb-in



    Power-Tap #3:

    Duration: 15:08

    Work: 269 kJ

    TSS: 26.3 (intensity factor 1.021)

    Norm Power: 296

    VI: 1

    Pw:HR: n/a

    Pa:HR: n/a

    Distance: 7.822 mi

    Min Max Avg

    Power: 164 427 296 watts

    Cadence: 69 134 92 rpm

    Speed: 25.8 35 30.9 mph

    Pace 1:43 2:19 1:56 min/mi

    Crank Torque: 119 392 274 lb-in



    Power-Tap #4:

    Duration: 1:26

    Work: 15 kJ

    TSS: 1 (intensity factor 0.651)

    Norm Power: n/a

    VI: n/a

    Pw:HR: n/a

    Pa:HR: n/a

    Distance: 0.605 mi

    Min Max Avg

    Power: 0 295 175 watts

    Cadence: 63 121 88 rpm

    Speed: 11.9 32.5 25.3 mph

    Pace 1:51 5:02 2:22 min/mi

    Crank Torque: 0 305 166 lb-in



    Power-Tap #5:

    Duration: 12:55

    Work: 181 kJ

    TSS: 14.8 (intensity factor 0.828)

    Norm Power: 240

    VI: 1.03

    Pw:HR: n/a

    Pa:HR: n/a

    Distance: 6.53 mi

    Min Max Avg

    Power: 0 349 234 watts

    Cadence: 53 139 89 rpm

    Speed: 4.9 38.6 30.7 mph

    Pace 1:33 12:13 1:57 min/mi

    Crank Torque: 0 344 223 lb-in



    Entire workout (253 watts):

    Duration: 1:00:42 (1:02:25)

    Work: 923 kJ

    TSS: 86.3 (intensity factor 0.924)

    Norm Power: 268

    VI: 1.06

    Pw:HR: n/a

    Pa:HR: n/a

    Distance: 30.475 mi

    Min Max Avg

    Power: 0 427 253 watts

    Cadence: 33 166 92 rpm

    Speed: 2.2 38.6 30.2 mph

    Pace 1:33 26:49 1:59 min/mi

    Crank Torque: 0 816 234 lb-in

  • Made it out for a run today in the snow. Did my best with the intervals, but didn't have my Yaktrax or Screw Shoes so a good part of it felt like I was running in molasses. Still managed some good efforts by RPE, even if the Garmin said I was barely moving.

    @Nemo: Yes, I'm sort of cross posting here. I read your posts on the injury forum and thought I would toss it out for you that my calf injury is what got me into the whole Vibram thing in the first place.  Like you say, based on what is logical the barefoot running could make things worse for you. On the other hand, if you try the prescribed remedies you are working on and they fail, it might be worth a try. I suspect our injuries were pretty similar. In some ways it is similar to achilles tendinitis (which is actually often an inflammation of the muscles in the lower calf and not the true tendon) which tends to respond best to aggressive eccentric strengthening exercises. Hopefully you are well on your way mending!

  • Dan, cool pic of the turkeys!! why I think one of them might be Coach P and the other Coach Rich!!! didn't know they were up your way... uh oh. smile. WAshington DC with 6" of snow?? wow!! be careful. Kevin, the hat has been great will post pics soon, worn it now 3x!! nice and warm. m
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