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The BIG RACE is this Friday

A few of you may know that my AAA race for the season has yet to occur.... it's the 50 free showdown between me and my 12 year old boy Timothy.  

By a quirk in the USA Swimming rules, I am eligible to swim in an upcoming swim meet hosted by our (mostly youth) club in the Open division, and the head coach has got two 50 yard freestyle match races set up between Dads and young sons.  Should be a blast.

The cool thing about this is that I don't have to give him any quarter at all.  I've got three kids, and this is the last time I could ever possibly beat any of them at swimming or running. 6 months from now, Timothy will have gotten older and faster, and I'll have missed my chance.  On land, Chris knocked out a 16:30 5K, Olivia a 12:30 2 mile, and T a 12:50 2 mile, all on cross country courses in the last few weeks.  Maybe I could hang with T, but it would be close.  (I would beat the twins at a half marathon or something, but that's cheating!) In the water, I'm also past dead meat with my older son and my daughter.  Only somewhat late-developing Timothy is anywhere near my neighborhood.

So .... This Friday, Friday Friday!  It all comes down to this!  35 (or 36 or 37....)  seconds of Sheer Madness!!!  Its going to be great.

 

 

For those of you maybe a little younger than me, if your kids get involved in these racing sports, I tell you there is nothing more fun than watching them catch up to you and making them earn it but having them beat you.  :-)

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  •  Awesome! Tips for you, with the caveat that I was a pure distance swimmer but over 16yrs of full time competitive swimming you do a lot of everything, even sprinting .

    Start: 

    • Try to get your entire body through the same hole created by your hands.
    • Think about quickly transferring your vertical speed into horizontal speed
    • Underwater kick: was a flutter kick back in my day but is now a dolphin kick. Hold a tight streamline and get ~4-6 good kicks

    1st 25 (assuming 25yd pool?)

    • Head up when you break the surface. Think waterline at your eyebrows vs the middle of your forehead.
    • DO NOT BREATH!!
    • Fast turnover but with a good catch. That is, shorten your stroke at the backend (hand/triceps extension) to create turnover while keeping a strong, powerful catch. 
    • Don't worry about rotation much. Get your hand in the water, grab the water, crank it back and go. 

    Turn:

    • You'll likely get smoked on the turn 
    • Think about bouncing off the wall, ie, almost start pushing off the wall before your feet actually hit the wall
    • Streamline, dolphin/flutter kick but take it outside of the flags: you'll have a wave following you into the wall and you need to get under and past this before you come up and take your first stroke. 
    • DO NOT BREATH off the wall. Maybe take 4-6 strokes before you breathe. In fact, you may only "need" one breath for the whole swim. 

    Touch: full body rotation and shoulder extension, straight fingers...and a timing judge on the payroll watching the finish from above 

     

  •  Tight goggle straps.    Elbows over ears during the dive.      I think.

  •  Oh...I didn't see that he's 12yo. What's his 100 time? In my best triathlon swimming fitness, from several years ago, I was at best as fast as 14yo Rich. 15yo Rich would have crushed me. 

    Sorry, my money is on Kid Jenks. He's totally going to kick your ass 

  • That sounds awesome, good luck WJ!!

    Rich, I'm surprised that you aren't rooting for the old man. I thought you usually get a kick out of crushing youngsters? 

  • I'm not sure whether to wish you good luck, or hope your son completely kicks your ass. It's win-win either way, I hope you both have fun with it!

    My son has discovered the joy of catching me off guard and sprinting away on his bike. He can't drop me for long, but someday he will. It's really pretty cool image
  • Good luck! Pics, or it didn't happen. Definitely looking forward to this race report!
  • Well good luck and at least it will be over fast.

    Gordon

  • Thanks!  It will  be fun, that's for sure.

     

    His best 50s are in the 34 range (either SCY or "converted" from LCM to SCY), but that was 6 months ago and unfortunately for me, he has put on some height and his arms are slightly less spaghetti-like.  In my favor is the fact that there is a chance he will be laughing uncontrollably.

     

    (His twin sister is sub-30 from 6 months ago, which is why she is automatically disqualified from the race.)

     

    I had been considering watching some YouTube of Michael Phelps to try to copy his ritual (Beats headphones, sweats, etc). but decided that was a little much.  :-)  All kidding aside, I have been to the pool a few times in the last few weeks trying to figure out how to actually swim (only) 50 yards.

     
    • A severe disadvantage is that I can't find anywhere that will let me jump off blocks.  I will get a few chances at warmups, but it's been a very, very, very long time (30+ years?) and I was a very bad HS swimmer even then.  (No one ever bothered to actually teach us anything...just swam, and only in season.)  This sucks.  
    • When I raced, this "track start" they all do now was illegal.  Had to be all toes at the front.  Of course, you couldn't cheat on the backstroke turn like they all do now, either...but this is another matter.
    • Yeah, obviously I know about that whole dolphin kick thing just from watching.  I'm a little "old dog new tricks" on that one.  I'm sure I could learn to do that right, but it would take time...it'll be flutter kicks from me.
    • I WILL get crushed at the turn.

     

    Although I am generally addicted to breathing, I'm going to head to the pool today and try that whole "not breathing" thing.  :-)

    Rich - I know this sounds like a stupid question, but why is it "slower" to breathe?  Not sure I understand the hydrodynamics of why that necessarily slows you down, although I acknowledge the result.

     

  • Oh this is SO fun! I hope you don't mind that my money's on the kid... not 'cause I want to see you get crushed, but b/c I can't WAIT for the day our boys are doing things like this! I'm hoping by the time they're 16 they'll want to come out for long rides with us if they're not too busy chasing girls... ;-) Looking forward to hearing how this plays out!!!
  • With Chris (my oldest) 14-16 were the peak years. Last year (between junior and senior years), he had gotten enough independent activities and wanted to excel in a couple of things for his senior year in high school that he didn't do much tri stuff with me. But the year before we actually did a half together, and have raced a few olys and sprints together over the years. The twins are probably up for a sprint next summer. It's mucho fun.

    I'm kind of hoping we'll have another round of racing together in around 5 years....him post college but not so tied up with a new family and such. We'll see!
  • WJ: breathing causes a break in your stroke. Sometimes small, sometimes big. Depends on how good a swimmer you are, technique-wise. In an event where paces are decided by .01, everything matters and you just don't "need" to breath much, if at all, for a 50. I was about a 23.1-2 50 swimmer, when they let me do one which was about never, and I would only breath once, if at all about half way down the 2nd 25.
  • The 50 short course is all about the turn. This week, focus on making good turns, which means not pausing and instead carrying the momentum through and off the wall, with a very tight streamline -- really squeeze your head between your hands. And try a couple of dolphin kicks off the wall. It's very effective with little cost.

    It's easy to thrash around in a 50. Even for the short distance, you want to keep your stoke long and your form good rather than trying to turn over really fast.

    Rich is right, when you breath, you break your stroke and lift your head a little bit. I actually breathed about 3 times in a 50, once on the way down and twice on the way back.

    Good luck! If all else fails, pull on the lane line. Maybe they won't notice (see Martin Lopez-Zubero setting the 200 meter back world record in 1991).
  • That's awesome! Mine are 2 and 5. My daughter and I are going to start doing a bit of training once her training wheels come off. I told she can ride while I run. We will be like Rocky and Mick. Next year I think she may do a couple 1k fun runs.

    Should good.... image
  • LOL Rich and Michael -- if I could do 23 sec maybe I'd only breathe once or twice too! :-)

    I did try the dolphin kick thing today. I was surprised that was easier than I thought. Clearly saved time on my easy yards compared to not doing it. Maybe 2-3 sec per hundred. I assume it helped on the fast 50s, but I'm really just not that calibrated on effort/time, etc. on those. I got it down to a couple of breaths per 25. We will see!

    Learned one other thing--- Very BAD idea to go to the Burrito Bar immediately (even if your mother is visiting from 1800 miles away and wants to get burritos for lunch) immediately before swimming really hard 50s.
  • The Boy is talkin' trash tonight. Gonna have to make him pay. :-)
  • WJ, you definitely need to have somebody video tape this race. Might be good evidence for a few yrs from now. But mor importantly, we all want to see it. Good luck, I'm rooting for the old guy!
  • 34 seconds 6 months ago for a growing 12 year old ... you may need to go 30. ish to win this by now. Good luck. And to echo Rich's analogy, 12 year old Brian would crush me in the best swimming shape I've been in for the last 10 years.

    Will be looking for the link to the video.
  • Short version: Age and Treachery prevail over Youth And Skill once again!

    He had a great time (0.7 s PR), but I did a little better than I thought I would. RR and video to come. :-)
  • Score one for Big Will! Nice work. The trick now, picture up somewhere in the house. Comment on it every possible chance you get. Never race him again!

  • Posted By Roy Ezell on 20 Oct 2012 04:57 AM

    Score one for Big Will! Nice work. The trick now, picture up somewhere in the house. Comment on it every possible chance you get. Never race him again!



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  • Posted By Roy Ezell on 20 Oct 2012 04:57 AM

    Score one for Big Will! Nice work. The trick now, picture up somewhere in the house. Comment on it every possible chance you get. Never race him again!





     

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  • OK, here is video:  http://youtu.be/7b6dhN2L8BQ?hd=1

     

     

    For fun, here is a race report:

    Before the meet, I went ahead and warmed up with the youth swimmers.  I got into the slow group and we were the home club, so that meant the really, really, really shallow lane.  Like so shallow that I could touch the bottom with my fingers while we swam.  But I was a good trouper.  I did more butterfly and backstroke during that warmup than I've done in a long, long time.  But it served its purpose. 

    The warmup starts were an important thing since I had not gotten to use the blocks.  But there was a complication.  I had found what looked like a brand new team suit from last season, and I threw it in my bag.  Far too late, I realized this suit had no string!  Ouch! First practice dive was not so good.  Goggles came down and who the hell knows where I was in the water.  I got about 3 more, though, and they got better.  I was fully cognizant that I had no idea how to dive like the kids.  I wasn't going to even try the "track start" leg thing those young whippersnappers do.  All I remembered was to try to throw myself far and how not to have my goggles fall off.   I realized that I probably couldn't be super smooth about the whole kick-and-start-swimming thing, but I'd do my best.

    When it came time for the race, I was nice and was careful not to make T laugh or anythnig like that.  I was pretty stone-faced, actually.  :-)  

    I was kinda nervous with two heats left, and I think Timothy was too, but the heats go so fast... It was our turn, and I climbed up.  They don't give you much time!  No three minutes between waves!  As I was getting into position, my main concern was keeping my balance and not falling off the block. :-)  The start flashed and I reacted very slowly (i.e., as quickly as I could) and tried to fly forward.

    As soon as I hit the water I realized there were way too many things going on in my head.  Streamline.  Were my arms tight on my head? How deep am I?  Flutter...no dolphin.... No, go a little longer.  Left arm first or right arm....Aack!  There's just way too much to think about in like 3 seconds!!!!

    By the time I got my bearings and started swimming, I could see Timothy on the left.  I thought he was slightly ahead of me, but close. Damn, turn coming.  Sh*t!  Turn coming!!  I messed up a stroke near the end.  Push off.  You can't turn so at least push off.  Kick....ok swim now dammit!  Forward!  I finally got it together about the 30-33 yard mark and started thinking about only one thing: getting my hands way out in front of my quick and catching. At some point I thought I caught the boy.  

    I get a cheat breath on my touch turn, but I only took one more breath on the way back.  I think I took two on the way out.

    So, I managed to finish maybe half a body length ahead.  My time was 32.18.  I was shocked it was that low because I hadn't been able to do anything under 36-37 at the pool in workouts.  I guess a little adrenaline goes a long way.

    Anyway, Timothy (who leapt out of the pool much faster than me!) was a little disappointed to lose, but he has gotten a million laughs already watching my goofy start.  We had a great hug and I made him take me out for pizza.

    He wants to do it again in the Summer.  We'll see.  I think the next home meet is the same day as my early A-race in KS! If I wait a year, though, I'm definitely done for!

  • That start is priceless! Congrats. I will never forget the first time I beat my dad skiing. Thinking back, I'm glad he made me work for it. I definitely don't see him losing again!
  • Congrats on the win. Love the video. Your start makes me glad there are no videos of me out there (as far as I know). Did it hurt when you hit the water? Looked and sounded a little belly-flopish. But since you couldn't practice beforehand, it's not terrible. But dude, flip turns. They may be irrelevant to open water swimming, but still . . . Also, looked like 18 strokes on the way down, 23 on the way back.
  • AWESOME! Congrats on the win and love that you will forever have video proof!
  • As soon as I read that you WU in the shallow end and could touch the bottom, I knew you were in the pool that I spent way too much of my childhood in! Congrats on the race. I was impressed.

    How did the other fathers do? It was hard to tell in the video.
  • @Daniela - I had forgotten you grew up in Ames.... You know, there's a new pool in the works. Couple years, but it's going to be good!

    The other father is a bit younger and an inherently better swimmer than me. He did a 29.xx - can't remember exactly - and also beat his son. So Old Guys Rule!

    Timothy swam a relay split later this weekend that he claims would have beaten me, but I have the video!

    @Michael - In retrospect, I think that's how most of us on my (not very good) high school team all started.. and least the the broad sense.... Not a nice slipstream dive like they teach my kids. And yes, I confess to having too many strokes per pool length as a normative feature of my swim. It's exacerbated when I am trying to go really fast. The flip turn thing is a thorn. I try it now and then, but I've never had the discipline to actually (re-) learn how to do it...and aside from looking like a dork perhaps...never really felt there was a driving need for the reason you point out. I'm not especially coordinated, and I've never felt like spending the pool time just to be like the cool kids. :-)

  • (1) Like I said, I am glad there are no videos of me. My blooper reel would include: (a) false start in backstroke (almost impossible); (b) slip on the start of a relay at nationals and lose 2 seconds as a result (backstroke belly flop); (c) get DQ'd on the butterfly-backstroke turn in the 400 IM at nationals; and (d) mis-time a turn and end up with my ankles on the pool deck instead of the wall (ouch). I slightly mock because I was impressed that you posted the video!
    (2) You may be misunderstanding where the "cool kids" are. No one would have ever accused me, or just about anyone I have called a close friend, of being a "cool kid." I like EN because of the dorky-nerd quotient with whom I am comfortable.
    (3) "Coordination" is not an excuse. I tell people that I do triathlons, truthfully, because I lack the hand-eye coordination for other sports. You won't find anyone less coordinated than me. Flip-turns just become second nature after a while.
    (4) Relay splits add .7 seconds because you are moving when the incoming swimmer touches. That's why they only accept world records from the opening leg (flat start). So, you still win regardless.
  • Guilt trip accepted. Again.

    ...and yes, I know about the start advantage on relays, and about the first guy getting to count his split, etc etc... so I'm still steadfast. :-)
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