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Jan OS Week 6 Bike thread

Here we go ladies and gents with the real deal on the bike this week:
Tuesday: 2 x 20' FTP (Advanced plan)
Thursday: Same 15' worth fo 45/45s
Saturday: 2 x 12', 1 x 6' FTP. plus a bit longer run

Hint: If you have trouble on the 2 x 20, don't feel too bad about taking an extra modest break and turning them into 20, 10, 10 or even 4 x 10. But if you're ready to go, 2 x 20' is the real test.

Good luck!
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  • Ugh... 2x20 is gonna hurt! I will be traveling next weekend and dropping Saturday's ride for a long run.
  • If you like you could also use the Tuesday bike session as a FTP test ... this is something I'm thinking of right now image

    I'm pretty sure the Saturday bike workout will feel like a beginners workout when you did the 2x20 on Tuesday hehe
  • Tuesday Bike is 2X15
    Wednesday Bike - 2X10 (cant run because of calf issues, so i am going to bike instead)
    Thursday Bike - 5 X ( 4 X 45/45)
    Saturday... i have not looked that far ahead

    I love the bike workouts. they actually make me happy because i can see improvement.
  • I am in it to win it this week people! BEAST MODE IS ENGAGED! My pain cave is welcoming once again and I am finding my happy. Enjoying today's rest day by swimming drills easy and stretching. My hammies are tightening right up and I see that I need to rest and recover! No bonus work for this girl.
  • I did my FT test last week with 2 x 20(2') and increased 21 watts. Looking ahead to this week and next means I have a lot of work ahead with the new number. Not sure I can do it but I will do my best. ( insert scared smiley face)
  • ok, so todays ride confirmed work is not linear, 2x20's definitely more than a 1/3 harder than last weeks 2x15's. Nice to get it done!
  • Just to confirm...this is Week 6...right?
  • @Pat, yes this is week 6....some folks "enthusiastically" add more. Refer to your training plan page for EXACT info on what you are supposed to be doing. As william noted, we expect some resistance on the first 2x20...do what you can, remembering that your fitness is built in the final few minutes of each interval....good luck!
  • Due to work schedule a now-usual call was made to shift Tuesday's workout to Monday, resulting in a Saturday/Sunday/Monday sequence of hard efforts. I actually like this sequence and I think it builds good fitness in addition to giving me additional flexibility during the week to shuffle the rest of my workouts around my work travel schedule.

    I planned to ride with former EN-er Matt Ward and the scheduled workout tonight was a main set of 2x20'(4') followed by a 40' brick run. Midway through the warmup Matt announced he was scrapping the 40' brick, so I quickly made the call to take a gel that I originally intended to save for the recovery interval mid-ride / pre-run. At that point I also figured that with no run I might as well try to overshoot my usual ~250ish watts and try to equal the 255 I hit in the first of Saturday's 15' intervals.

    I settled into the set and was pretty much right on 255, so I decided at the 10' mark that maybe I'd be in a position to audible the workout at the recovery and do a test interval. After all, my last-tested FTP was 239 in week #1 and I have been regularly crushing that, including the 2x15' set on Saturday at 255 (1.068) and 260 (1.088) followed by 5' at 173 (1.143). So I figured that even if I didn't hit the Saturday numbers (and I could feel that was the case…my legs were more tired today for sure) I'd end up with a higher number in any case. My HR was also pretty low which implied I had some upside in the next interval even if my legs were tired. So I didn't push for any "extra" and figured I'd see how things stood at the end of the first 20'.

    At the 20' I had 256 watts so I figured the stage was well-set for a new number even if I didn't put in a "kick" into the first interval. I confirmed with Matt once again that there would be no run, and suggested we go for the 2' recovery. He agreed so we started on the second 20'.

    Well now that I was going for the new FTP I was a bit overzealous kicking off the second 20'. My first 1' was 262 watts but that was clearly not sustainable. I decided to just try to maintain more than the 256 I had in the prior interval. My legs were really tired so I knew I'd have to take more than the usual couple of 1' periods out of the aerobars. Matt was coming up to do 1' of big gear standing work every 4' so I mimicked that until the second half where I lost a watt on the lap average so came up a minute early at the 13' mark and then decided I'd take another minute at the 16' and 18'. As with every 2x20' FTP test I've ever done I was somehow able to jack my power up a bit in the final 5' and get another watt on the average…I saw 257 at around 17' and made it my goal to just hang onto that so the second 20' would beat the first 20'. It is amazing how the mind games pass the time. Between the planning for each of the 1' sit-ups and the wattage calculations in my mind I was at the 17' mark and in the homestretch before I knew it!

    Overall a new FTP of 254 – apparently I only lost ~3 watts in the 2' recovery – which is significantly above the 239 in week 1…a gain of 6.3%. It is my highest-ever indoor test by ~10 watts although in prior years I did not have a fan in the room and indoor temp was around 70 degrees (vs. 57 today). I'm up a bit weight-wise from last year…hovering in the 138-140lb range, so that puts me at 4.00-4.06 w/kg. Not bad at all for Week #6 of the outseason. Last year my peak outdoor test was 256 at about 1lb lower body weight so I'm on a good trajectory for this season.

    Overall FTP calculated: 254

    Interval #1: NP 256 (5-min segments: 255, 255, 257, 255), VI 1.00, HR 160/169, cad 89
    Recovery: NP 154
    Interval #2: NP 257 (5-min segments: 257, 255, 256, 261), VI 1.00, HR 169/177, cad 90

    Overall 42':
    NP: 254
    AP: 251
    Avg HR: 164
    Max HR 177
    Avg cad: 89
    Avg temp 55.5 – nice and cold…open window AND a fan!!!

    http://connect.garmin.com/activity/272411526
  • No worries. I think I've figured it out. (I am in JOS intermediate)

    The Training Plan link at the top of the new 5.0 site pulls up W7 and not W6 and that was the source of confusion for me since that says 2 x 20. When I pull it back to W6, then its 2 x 15, which matches an off-site calendar I set up on TrainingPeaks.

    W6 2 x 15 it is for me.

    Once more into the breach dear friends, once more.
  • Did my Tues FTP bike tonight on 36 hours rest same as I did last week. Goal FTP 224-236. Did 25' WU, then 2 x 20' at NP 242.5 and 232.75. Did some extra Z3 miles @ 190-210. Total miles = 32 @ 21.5 mph avg.

    http://connect.garmin.com/activity/272398597#.URnJcW_eZVE.mailto
  • That was tough. No doubt about it.

    Main Set only today. ZERO extra work. No workout triage required, but it was *definitely* considered.
    -first 20' right at FTP. RPE High, HR lower than expected
    -second 20' was a bear. Wanted to hold FTP but fell behind so had to dig deep to get it back up.

    I know that .95 -- 1.00 is all good, but I wanted to push myself to hold 1.00. I channeled Jens Voight and actually said out loud, "Shut up legs!"
  • It's taking me some time but I am really settling into the OS plan and luvin it :-)! Tuesday 2 X 15' with 20' run done. I am feeling stronger on the bike and run. Made some adjustments with LBS to positioning and they have really helped. It might be time for new FTP test. Happy Tuesday to all of you from Deutschland!

    T
  • 2x20 Z4 this morning was fun...

    - First set 311 NP with a VI of 1.0. Really was focusing on keeping a smooth power line in trainer road

    - Second set 305 NP with a VI of 1.0. Also highly focused on a smooth power line. Had to shift gears late in this set to give my legs a break. Kept the power output the same but needed the variance in cadence to keep me on target.

    Only did 10' of the brick but since I have been rehabbing my left achilles with achilles tendinitis I was thrilled to have this be a pain free 10'
  • enjoyed the work out today. Missed many w/o last week due to life and it feels good to be back at it. Really enjoying the bike these days.
  • 2x20 done. Good lord I love these workouts. They hurt, but I've never felt this strong so early in the year.
  • INT plan - 2x15' @ Z4. That second set was tough! Pushed through though at 1.0 and 0.96. I am happy that I pushed through the entire second 15' instead of breaking it up like last week. Decent movie this morning - "Face Off" with Travolta & Cage. Entertaining enough for a slight distraction from the work. Will run at lunch.
  • I missed my morning bike but got everything set up and ready for a post-work ride and run. Seeing these posts are getting me pumped up.
  • Nice work all. Matt - it seemed pretty clear you were due. Nice job turning the 2 x 20 into an ad hoc test.
  • Wow that was by FAAAAR the hardest one I did for a very long time ... after the first 2 minutes of the second interval I was pretty sure I won't be able to push that till the end but it somehow "happened". image

    1st 20min -> IF of 0.99 @ 297W NP
    Min Avg Max
    Power (Watts): 267 297 325
    HR (bpm): 130 161 167
    Cadence (rpm): 82 86 92

    2nd 20min -> IF 1.01 @ 304W NP
    Min Avg Max
    Power (Watts): 208 303 341
    HR (bpm): 142 169 176
    Cadence (rpm): 78 84 89

    http://www.trainingpeaks.com/av/GU7H5QFUJQ3WAJBQ5TXKPPRDWU

    I'm quite happy with the result and I will use the 304W from the second set as new FTP till next test in Week 8 as it's almost no difference to the 300 I'm currently using.
  • That was harder, even if it was 2 x 15 for the JOS intermediate group. Still getting used to the new Quarq. But hit my numbers with the new (read accurate) FTP after the PM install last week. The easy run/strides even felt good in spite of the rain and 42 degrees.

    Why is it that sometimes you can turn stiff as a board after a hard workout, and other times (like today) you feel like a million dollars?
  • I actually found the first 5-10 minutes of the first interval to be the toughest. Once I settled in, I just seemed to keep going. It got hard in the last 5 minutes of both intervals, and I am feeling 56 minutes with an IF of .96 this afternoon. But I was only really struggling in the first 5-10 minutes. That seems to be a fairly consistent comment in my Tuesday ride notes. Not sure quite why. It doesn't happen on the weekends, when I am typically dying at the end.
  • I've found these long sets go much better when I hit my lap button every 5 minutes. That way when I look at my watch I never have more than 5 minutes to go. Nothing like a little self-deception to help get it done!

    20min NP 238 VI 1.0 IF 1.01
    20min NP 242 VI 1.0 IF 1.03

    Really happy about todays wko, I held a little bit above FTP, and since I went skiing yesterday was not well rested. I hoping the next FTP will show a nice bump!
  • Got my 2 x 15' done. Shortened warm up because I didn’t think I would have the willpower to do the 12’ and then 2 x 15’. First one was ok, did 17’ min because I was feeling good. Final 13’ ok, started to slow a bit in last 2-3 mins but HR above zone. Got the run/strides done but freezing outside and body felt very stiff in the cold.
  • Hey Team,

    I don't check in to often but wanted you to know I'm here and hanging in there......I did have to sacrifice my bike and run on Saturday for my orange snow shovel and 5 hours of heavy lifting!!!! I'm hoping the coach will excuse the missed workout!!!

    Karen
  • You are all getting me fired up for my 2 x 20 tomorrow with my new FT!! I will channel you all.

    Congrats Matt on your new FT!
  • Felt like I have realized some of the fitness I've been gaining over the past few weeks tonight. Surprisingly, the bike wasn't as hard as some of the previous easier workouts.

    2 x 15' @ 1.00 and .994IF followed by 2 mi in about 23 mins. on the treadmill. Run was good too. Last few Tues. runs have been really hard for me for some reason, even to the point of having to walk a couple times or hop off the 'mill entirely for a few seconds at the halfway point. None of that tonight!

    That one gets a BOOM!
  • Triaged!

    6x 7'(1'), all between .94 and .97

    no shame, legs just felt like crap, and I know what (and who) is to blame.





  • 2x20s, ouch.....
    rep-1: IF=1.005 HR 131 Ca 87
    rep-2: IF=.995 HR 136 Ca 87

    Yep, I have freakish low HR, the lower cadence kept it down a bit as I usually sit on 89-90.

    Ran at lunch so time to eat.
  • Oh, boy. That was tough. Made it through the first 20', but not without some severe anguish. In the second one, the cough and nose started rebelling as bad as the quads and I had to take a couple of very short breaks to drain and be able to breath again. Not proud of sitting up the last couple minutes either. That said, I gave it everything.

    248, 247 W (FT 248)
    IF 0.932 for 59 minutes.

    Work schedules and a kids' concert killed the run. Not missing another. Will go for a short easy run first thing tomorrow morning, then the FT run in the evening.
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