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Week 10 - more of the solid!

From the Advanced plan, this is pretty heavy FTP stuff:

  • Tuesday 3 x 15'(4') at FTP with a little brick run
  • Thursday 15 1'/1' in sets of 5 at 120%.  [For the few of us on the 110% plan, it's 4 x 5'(5')]
  • Saturday 2 x 20'(4') at FTP plus 10' more.  Don't be afraid to do this at 0.95..that's a pretty daunting set.  Another brick run, this one at tempo pace. 30' brick or 60' not.

We have 5 weeks left.  Be strong, but be smart.  Try not to be That Guy who runs into a brick wall.  Remember the first triage step is to break the intervals down into smaller pieces...but before that, feel free to give yourself permission to be in that 0.95-0.96 instead of 1.00-1.01.  How great is it to be able to "negative split" the multiple intervals, as compared to collapsing at the end!  I know which one will leave you set up to complete your next workout better, too!

Good luck everyone!

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  • We have the same in the intermediate plan. EEEEEEEKKKKKKK
  • Question for you more seasoned members: Assuming we don't dip back into sub-freezing weather in the NE, I'm thinking about starting to do my weekend bike off my trainer and take it outside with my local group ride (roughly 50 miles at this time yr). If I do this, 1 - How do I manage any interval work with the group, or do I just assume it will take care of itself since I'd ride with the "A" group? 2 - I currently ride with power on my trainer (built into the flywheel), but do not yet have a PM on the bike itself - how do I transition riding with power to just heart rate successfully until I get a PM?

    Any suggestions appreciated!
  • @ Brad, on #1 if it's a hard ride where you'll be above FTP a lot then it's probably fine. Coach Rich usually has the view that shelling yourself on the bike and racking up a lot of TSS is generally a positive in training and I'm inclined to agree. That said, personally I do believe there is a lot of value in going those long FTP efforts vs. the surging of a group ride.

    On #2 that is tough. If you know your general HR/RPE calibration from your indoor rides you should be in an okay position to translate that to outdoors, but be aware that your HR outdoors will be different and it will be condition specific as well. Bottom line is that it's a tough one and if you have had a PM indoors you'll probably get quickly agitated by the reduction in precision of intensity measurement and it'll motivate you to get a powermeter...
  • Had to do the bike wko today after the swim do to work constraints tomorrow. I did not do the run afterwards cause my quads would not have tolerated it. Will however do it in the am.

    FTP's hit at .99, 1.0, and 1.008.  


  • Ouch! That hurt. Tuesday's WKO in the books. 3 X 12's and 20' brick run in the snow. Have a great day you guys!
  • Wow - 3x15 done and numbers hit... but I vaguely recall telling JW last week that I'd rather be doing 3x15 than 2x20....

    Yeah. I retract that statement!
  • 3x15s are no joke. Came a bit under for the first 2, but hit the third one at .95. I'll take it.
  • That was a character building ride, 3 X 15's are for the tough cookies!
  • The calendar is not breaking my way and I had to do the bike this morning…but I still have to go for a run tonight, since I didn't have time to fit it in as a brick.

    In any case, after last's week's brutal, brutal 3x15' workout I was not looking forward to today's 3x15. No question the 3x15 is tough, but today was nowhere nearly as bad as it was last week. Comparing numbers it was also pretty different. The power numbers don't look massively different but the HR is a totally different picture and how I felt was a world of difference. I will confess I had a fan up and running, but no way that accounts for the whole difference in HR and RPE / general feeling.

    Overall 66', NP 236, IF 0.931. Abbreviated warmup of 5' easy/z1 then 2x3'(1')@z3. Then the main set:

    15'(4') @z4 – NP: 256 (IF 1.007), VI 1.00, HR 157/164, cad 91
    15'(4') @z4 – NP: 256 (IF 1.006), VI 1.00, HR 160/168, cad 91
    15'(4') @z4 – NP: 254 (IF 0.998), VI 1.00, HR 162/168, cad 90

    http://connect.garmin.com/activity/283563134

    LAST WEEK, for comparison:

    Overall 66', NP 233, IF 0.917. Abbreviated warmup of 5' easy/z1 then 2x3'(1')@z3. Then the main set:

    15'(4') @z4 – NP: 251 (IF 0.988), VI 1.00, HR 158/168, cad 91
    15'(4') @z4 – NP: 251 (IF 0.987), VI 1.00, HR 168/176, cad 91
    15'(4') @z4 – NP: 251 (IF 0.987), VI 1.00, HR 171/179, cad 90

    http://connect.garmin.com/activity/280588869
  • I don't know what it was but I felt good this morning doing the 3 x 15'.  Maybe it was the complete rest day I took yesterday.  After a 15' warm up I did:

    15' @ 257 avg watts, IF 97%, avg HR 138, avg rpms 89, (4') rest @ 100 w

    15'@ 273 avg watts, IF 102%, avg HR 145, avg rpms 90, (4') rest @100 w

    15'@ 285 avg watts, IF 108%, avg HR 156, avg rpms 91....done.  Some days are just better than others.  Hope I didn't burn too many matches.  Then ran 2 miles in 17:30 with 6 x 30' strides. 

     

  • Wow, nice job Bruce!

    First successful completion of FTP wko since getting new zones. 3x 15' @ .964, .965 and .979IF. Boom! No run as right leg is still very sore from Sunday's 5k. Bike didn't seem to bother it though.
  • Posted By Bruce Thompson on 12 Mar 2013 07:22 PM

    I don't know what it was but I felt good this morning doing the 3 x 15'.  Maybe it was the complete rest day I took yesterday.  After a 15' warm up I did:

    15' @ 257 avg watts, IF 97%, avg HR 138, avg rpms 89, (4') rest @ 100 w

    15'@ 273 avg watts, IF 102%, avg HR 145, avg rpms 90, (4') rest @100 w

    15'@ 285 avg watts, IF 108%, avg HR 156, avg rpms 91....done.  Some days are just better than others.  Hope I didn't burn too many matches.  Then ran 2 miles in 17:30 with 6 x 30' strides. 

     

    Holy smokes, that's crazy...108% for the THIRD interval?? wow


  • Bruce,

    DITTO to what Matt said!!!! WOW!! I'll have what you're having :-).

    I am doing mine tomorrow on our local mountain. FORCAST- 84 degrees!!!!! YUP!! I am so excited. The climb is 11 miles to the top. Takes over an hour. My best race was 1:03. In training will be more like 1:10? We will break it up into 15 min intervals with 4' recoveries which are hard as you are still climbing. Then hang on for dear life to summit the beast.

    The whole ride will be over 3 hours round trip from my house.

  • Got the 3 x15 done at 6am before work. That was tough, tough, tough. I hit just over 95% for each interval and there was alot, and I mean alot of interval talk not to change the gear and not to stop.
  • Great jog Brenda- serious mental 6 pack building right there.
  • Matt, I did my ride yesterday with out my fan for the standard 25' EN warmup.  I was pouring in sweat and my hr was quite elevated.  Then I started the TR portion of the 3x15 wo with the 12' wu.  I used the fan.  HR dropped by 8-10 beats!  I think the fan makes quite a bit of difference!
  • Came home after my VO Max run and ripped off Thursdays VO Max bike. Right in the middle it really smarted so I had to turn on a Family Reunion on HBO, crank the ceiling fan and box fan on high and put my head down and try to ignore the pain. Was able to fight through the pain. 

    Duration: 1:00:43 

    Work: 848 kJ

    TSS: 88.8 (intensity factor 0.948)

    Norm Power: 253


    VI: 1.09

    Distance: 19.31 mi

    Min Max Avg

    Power: 0 634 233 watts

    Cadence: 34 110 81 rpm

    Speed: 0 27.6 19.0 mph

    Pace 2:10 0:00 3:09 min/mi

    Hub Torque: 0 16 8 lb-in

    Altitude: 474 505 489 ft

    Crank Torque: 0 526 243 lb-in

    Temperature: 71.6 73.4 72.9 Fahrenheit



    Goal was 320 and was able to hit all 15 at or slightly above.  







  • I had the opposite result as Bruce Matt A last night.... My 3 x 15 was hard, but not brutal last week, but yesterday about killed me. I ended up doing 3 x 5' for the last 15. Heart rates were high (above my last test LTHR). The numbers don't look too bad, but it was really MUCH harder than last time. I guess I just didn't have a great day. Ironically, when I ran about an hour later (had to feed kids, etc.), I felt like I could run forever. I had to use a lot of self control to keep the pace on the treadmill down, knowing I was going to run this morning (Wed) doing the VO2 intervals. (MOre on those in the other thread, but they went great.)

    Overall bike - 222 NP, 0.895 IF over 75 min. All intervals 24X watts (248 FTP)

  • Mount Diablo ride today for my Tuesday/Saturday ride. Kind of merged them.
    3 hours total round trip to summit and back. Rode with 3 other friends who are all stronger than me. Tom Glynn, Mr 5:00 IM bike split, Tanya- Miss cat 2 bike racer and Jeff who is a great local triathlete. ( He is a police officer too- first time I met him he came to Tanya's son's first birthday party- in walks a lean and handsome cop- looked like a stripper :-). I asked Tanya if his suit was rip away and what kind of party is this. To this day we laugh about that. )

    We regrouped at 1/4, 1/2 and the summit.

    rode 3 hrs in .86 IF
    Total climb 1:08 in 185W, .97 IF
    intervals within the climb:
    17:35- 197W, 1.02
    14:40- 184W, .96
    33:40- 181W .95

    MY LEGS ARE WHOOPED NOW!!

    NO transition run, swam first instead.
  • Finished all my intervals - my plan has 3x12. This is getting really hard. My legs seem to be doing pretty well, but very hard to catch my breath near the end. Hoping to get a jump next time I test since I didn't get it on the last test.
  • ( He is a police officer too- first time I met him he came to Tanya's son's first birthday party- in walks a lean and handsome cop- looked like a stripper :-). I asked Tanya if his suit was rip away and what kind of party is this. To this day we laugh about that. ) - ha, ha, Carrie, that is hilarious. Wait, I have to go back to your post to see how it turned out.
  • Funny story Carrie. But always great to ride w/stronger riders!

    Well after a 2 day rest (just a 1600m swim on monday), I finally got to the 3 x 15s. So I'm one day behind, replacing Friday's off day w/Tuesday. Mainly due to very sore left hip/ITB. Stupid me moved bike seat to incorrect position last week (after it got loose) and my left hip (which has about 70% flexibility range of my right hip) really got angry. Probably shouldn't have run on Sunday - but it was too nice outside and I did 8 miles on a soft flat trail - but failed miserably w/the intervals.

    Anyway, legs felt pretty solid on bike tonite and I got'er done at 1.012 / 1.0 / 1.0. There was alot of mental surging and collapsing in the last half of the third interval though.

    Seeing Chiro this week and next week and the next week.....sigh.. If I didn't get into triathlon, I would have never discovered all the things wrong w/my body!
  • A 7 hour meeting that concluded at 8pm followed by an hour drive home. Then I found out my trip to DC got moved up by a day and I have to leave the house at 6am tomorrow to head out to meetings then the airport. So what did I do at 9:15pm right after walking in the door and finding out I can't ride tomorrow…GOT ON THE FREAKIN' BIKE!!

    After two weeks of 4x4'(4') it was time to move to 5' intervals and go to the 3x5'(5'). No fan in the room and it was tough but doable. Strangely the second interval was tougher than the third. Actually the first was the worst since I selected a really high cadence. For the next two I went with a lower cadence and got good power and was able to build power over the intervals. I also hit z1 in all of my recoveries. Now dreading next week's move to 4x5'…

    Bike – overall 60', NP 228, IF 0.896. Full warmup of 10' easy/z1 then 3x3'(1')@z3. Then the main set:

    5'(5') @110% – NP: 281 (IF 1.107), VI 1.00, HR 155/164, cad 94, recovery @ NP 169
    5'(5') @110% – NP: 284 (IF 1.120), VI 1.00, HR 163/171, cad 88, recovery @ NP 170
    5'(5') @110% – NP: 287 (IF 1.132), VI 1.00, HR 167/176, cad 89, recovery @ NP 171
    -------
    8' @z3 – NP: 234 (IF 0.922), VI 1.00, HR 157/163, cad 88

    http://connect.garmin.com/activity/284120627
  • Thinking of taking the VO2 workout outside today since its going to be 70 and sunny. How hard are these short intervals to do on the road? I can find a pretty flat section of roads with little to no traffic.
  • Great recovery ride with the crew today and best of all a WIN for the Iowa State Cyclones Basketball!!!!!


    Total miles today...46.62, Ave power 197, NP202, Ave Cadence 82, Calories burned 1800, Ave watts/kg 2.8 








    Ride #1-this was actually a lot of fun

    Duration: 1:30:37

    Work: 1045 kJ

    TSS: 84.6 (intensity factor 0.752)

    Norm Power: 201


    VI: 1.04

    Distance: 26.929 mi

    Min Max Avg

    Power: 0 560 192 watts

    Cadence: 30 122 82 rpm, Speed: 0 26.2 17.8 mph

    Ride #2.....this was not fun and it was a mental battle to the last minute.

    Duration: 1:00:42

    Work: 697 kJ

    TSS: 54.1 (intensity factor 0.734)

    Norm Power: 196


    VI: 1.02

    Distance: 18.064 mi

    Min Max Avg

    Power: 0 636 191 watts

    Cadence: 51 129 85 rpm



  • VO2 workout day with run in AM then 12 hours later VO2 bike. Started with the official warmup, but it seemed like I didn't have the legs. Just kept the warmup nice and steady and was hoping for the best. To my surprise, I was able to hit the proper zones and kept the power during the recoveries (except for the last couple of intervals).

    1:00:00
    NP 235
    AP 198
    TSS 87
    IF 0.93
    http://tpks.ws/oaB0
  • Brenda - I tried to watch the video but it's "Private"... can't view it image
  • My story about when I did my VO2 workout isn't quite like Matt's, but same neighborhood....

    I was supposed to go to a 25 year service reception and dinner, and then pick my kids up from soccer at 8:30, and then hopefully be on the bike before 9:00 so I could collapse and start the whole day over again this morning. :-)

    it turned out that I had a personnel matter come up that delayed me getting to the 25 year reception by 30-40 min, and they were all seated for the dinner. I was not the 25 year honoree...I was the department chair going to support my two 25 year honorees.... well, it turned out they weren't there! I looked pretty stupid wandering around all these tables chatting with people that I'm supposed to network with while I'm looking for my two 25-year employees.... but it turns out I find out that neither of them even RSVP'ed to the event! So (having been at work since about 7 am anyway) I say forget it, I'm not staying for this dinner and endless ceremony....and I take off.

    For some reason I still can't qutie figure because the math was never going to work, I had already loaded up all my portable pain cave stuff in the car. (Trainer, bike, fan, etc.)

    Looking at my watch, I just barely had time, so I managed to drive to the gym where indoor soccer was being played, set up, change, and hop on my bike by almost exactly 7:30...so I could just sneak in that hour before the kids were done! Perfect timing!


    Anyway, this workout went a lot better than Tuesday's. It was just about right....felt confident about getting through it most of the time, but in the middle of the work, you wonder if you're going to make it. Then you do. Then you know you're just about spent when you get off the bike all wobbly....but then an hour later you feel ok, so you knw you're probably going to be good for the next ride in a couple days. :-)

    Something funky was going on with the HR strap until I got soaked with sweat, so ignore that. There's a spike or two where an errant soccer ball rolled into my bike and halted my progress, then had to be dislodged and kicked away. :-)

    http://connect.garmin.com/activity/284578235
    228 W NP for 59+ min IF 0.92. FTP 248

    5' intervals: 274, 277, 275, 278 (forgot to hit lap button at end of last one..this was the high 5 min)



  • OK, my Joule is broken... The 4' work intervals are much longer than the 4' rest intervals! image (Never mind, Joule is fine.... but I'm broken)

    So last week was the first attempt at the "110% FTP Hack". I was fighting a cold so it was ugly. Much better this week but 110% is super tough (for me). Give me 1' @ 130% please! Here's how it went:

    4' @ 110, 111, 110, 107IF. Rest intervals 55-60%. Then 5' @ 80% to hit an even 10miles.

    I guess next week is either 5 x 4' or 4 x 5', I forget.

    I did the VO2 bike tonight so tomorrow I'll do the Sun. run and Sun. I'll do the Sat. brick to mix it up.
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