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Hey Coach,

no problems here, just entered my HIM plan 8 weeks out from my race on April 19th.  I just did a run test last Sat (new PR at 23:05) and the plan calls for a test today. I was just going to do a 6-7 mile run with a couple of 1 mile intervals at my Z4 pace, does that sound reasonable?

R

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  • I thought about it a little bit more and it seems like the intervals that I was thinking about are more like the OS plan so I looked back a week in the HIM plan and I am probably going to plan on doing the long Thursday run from Wk 11 of the HIM instead of the intervals above. I will plan on that unless you let me know that is a bad idea.
  • @Ralph, that's a great call...long run baby!
  • Hey Coach,
    I am in week 14 of the HIM intermediate plan and I have to go out of town next week after my first RR this weekend. I am going to be on the road from Tues thru Sat of the following week. I will be able to run OK and probably locate a swim venue in New Orleans but I will have to push my Sat bike off till Sunday and I was wondering about the Thursday bike. Should I just try to find a spin class for Thursday even though that does not help with my aero position or should I just concentrate on some run and be satisfied with doing the long Bike on Sun when I get back?

    FYI, I did pretty well last on weekend's long ride with 50 miles in 2:58 so It probably won't be a crisis if I miss a little bit of bike volume.

    BTW Great coaches chat last PM.
    THanks
    R
  • Ralph, thanks for the HT on the chat...love my time there!! image

    I wouldn't sweat the trip really. If you can get in the interval ride before you leave on Tuesday, then we only need your interval run and long run when you are gone (anything else is bonus, could be just a 30' easy run and some light core / flex work)....then long ride when back Sunday. Plan on monday off / swim only to transition back. The hardest part about this stuff at this point in your year (building fitness) is the chance to get sick....gotta avoid that with hydration and rest!
  • Hey coach,
    quick question:

    I notice in the training plan long runs that it says not to go over Z4 as you pick up the pace near the end of the run. I have noticed that my HR is often in a zone higher than it should be for my predicted pace zone. case in point: in the long run below, my HR is steady on zone 2-3 while my pace is slower than my predicted Z1 pace for most of the run. I can maintain it pretty well and am able to pick it up at the end but it drives my HR up above Z4.
    http://connect.garmin.com/activity/452786024

    From the wiki race guidance I gather that I should go by HR on Race day and shoot for a negative split. when I get near the end, just give whatever I have left.
    Do I understand that correctly or do you have any additional recommendations?
  • This one is better executed and more like my race plan but the HR is still higher than the pace zone.
    http://connect.garmin.com/activity/439423171
  • Ralph, if you have PACE zones and can monitor pace, then we use that as your guide and we then retroactively "learn" the "common" heart rate for that pace. IOW, the 5k test is a poor predictor of what your HR will be after 90 minutes in Zone 2. The best predictor of ^that^ HR is time spent running in Pace Zone 2. Make sense?

    We'd use that common HR number to then determine racing HR targets...
  • Hey Coach,

    Nutrition execution question:
    I completed my HIM Sat and had a little GI upset (may be viral since it was present prior to the race) but the comments after my race report suggested that I may have overdone it on the nutrition for the HIM distance. I took in 116 oz of perform and 9 gels not including the 20 or so oz of coke that I drank. I arrived at these amounts from the EN nutrition spreadsheet and trained with the same amounts with no problem. I have read the nutrition section of the wiki and have listened to the core nutrition seminar and was wondering what advice you would offer on fine-tuning my nutrition plan.

    On the plus side, I was steady all day and finished pretty strong so it didn't hurt me much.
  • Ralph - if you have a report where you detailed the nutrition, please link to it here. Otherwise, can you please break down for me the amount you drank and ate on the bike versus the run? Also quickly let me know what the weather was like: temperature and exposure to sun.
  • Sorry Coach,
    The whole write up is here : http://members.endurancenation.us/Forums/tabid/57/aft/15195/Default.aspx

    The short version is that it was in the 60s and totally overcast.
    The EN Nutrition spreadsheet suggested 515 cal/hr for me. My plan for 1 bottle of perform every 30 minutes and 1 gel every 30 min gave me closer to 570 cal/hr on the bike and since I couldn't tolerate the Heed, I cut back on the run and had just coke and gels for a total of 293 cal/hr.

    Total Cals in was 1865 on the bike and 685 cal on the run for 2550 overall intake.
  • Hey coach, I have a running question: so my Zone 4 pace is about 7:52 and my Zone I pace is 9:48. I can hit my interval paces consistently with minimal problem when I do my interval runs but I am having trouble learning to keep a steady Pace at Zone 2 or zone 3. I seem to be either too fast or too slow. I have thought that just running on a treadmill at my zone 3 Pace may be helpful but I was wondering if you have any other tips?
  • Ralph I gotta review that nutrition. .sorry. Yes to using the Tmill as a pacing tool, that's a great idea!!!
  • I tried running on the treadmill and the paces from my Garmin with footpod were about a minute per mile different than the treadmill showed. I was at a Hotel so I will try it at my regular Gym and see how it goes..
  • Ralph - I think it does require some initial calibration. Did you do that properly when you first paired it with your watch?
  • Hey coach,
    I am set up for Beach to Battleship Full IM in 2 weeks, here is my question: I have done 2 RR rides and worked hard on my nutrition plan, By the spreadsheet, I should drink about 2 bottles per hour on the bike. In the heat of the summer (the first RR) it was perfect because I peed only twice on the bike but for RR #2 it was much cooler and I peed about 5 times with the same amount of fluid , I think because I sweated much less. My question is this: if Race day is cooler(which it is forecast to be) how should I modify my nutrition plan or should I keep it with what I have tried and has been shown to work.
    THanks
  • Ralph! Man I feel your pain right now, training for my Kona hydration planned in the school New England weather makes writing a bike for more than 20 minutes a bit of a challenge. :-)

    You are right to train that way, because we never know what race day will bring. I'd like you to have two bottles for the first hour for sure, bye then you should've already Peed. At that point in time you can make a decision on whether not you want to cut it back. Maybe you aim for a bottle every 40 minutes instead of every 30 and see how that goes.
  • Hey Coach,
    If you check this than you are working too hard in your coach hat. Have a Great Race in Kona and I will be pulling for you.
    R
  • Hi Patrick,
    I have had a bit of a setback since our call the other week.
    I was in week 2 of the run durability plan when I demonstrated why I need that plan!
    I did my Long run at race pace and set a new 10 PR by about 4 minutes and the next day, my left hamstring was crampy and sore. Backed off over the thanksgiving weekend and tried to do strides and the problem returned. I am stretching, on NSAIDs and in PT.

    It seems like my ability to do significant intervals will be limited for a while as I rehab this injury. I certainly don't want to compromise my OS which starts in Jan. My tentative plan is to go to short (1-2 miles), easy (Marathon Pace) daily runs and see if that bothers the hamstrings.

    Should I go to a bike focused plan for the next few weeks since I can't really do the Run Durability plan as it is written or should I just make the changes above andstay in the run Durability plan?

    Your thoughts are greatly appreciated.
  • Ralph! Ugh...but WAY better now instead of just before a race. I say dial back the running to just a minimal level to stay loose...think of it as a "warm up" before you do your foam rolling and stretching -- good ideas are here: www.athletestreatingathletes.com, see their body map. I would fill days you can't run with Steady State cycling for now, again followed by stretching so you can continue to improve. Please let me know what you think!

    ~ Patrick
  • Thanks coach,
    I am hitting the pool more and steady state biking as you suggested. The hamstring is not really limiting or painful while I am running but it gets really tight and spasmy afterwards or when I sit for any length of time and I want to be able to hit the OS hard. I just want to make sure that I am not losing some of my hard-won fitness gains in the mean time. Gentle runs in the MP range focusing on form seem to be in order. I will give you an update in a week or so. R
  • Ok! Don't worry so much about holding on to your fitness...that's generally a thing we want to do during the final peak to a race; in the OutSeason I am more concerned you hold on to metrics such as "hours slept per night" as well as your body composition. By definition your fitness will ebb and flow, and that's okay. Only WWF professional wrestlers on steroids can bring their A game 24/7/365, etc.

    Hope that helps!

    ~ Patrick
  • Patrick,
    Hamstring is better but not yet normal, also just getting over cold/flu. I have laid off of the running for now, only doing gentle biking and swimming and stretching. My concern is that I start JOS in a week and I am hesitant to go all out for testing because of the chance of reinjury. I would welcome any suggestion fpr managing that you have to offer.
    THanks
  • Patrick,
    Hope the holidays went well. Still seeking advice about JOS testing as above.
    Thanks
    Ralph
  • Ralph - The point of testing is twofold. First, to ensure your current zones are accurate. Second, help you benchmark your progress.

    Since we worrying about your hamstring, the second one is off the table. and we can rely on your internal "effort- o-meter" to do the right pieces now.

    In other words, I'd rather have you running consistently with minimal intensity for 3 to 4 weeks before you start pushing yourself. We need to give a hamstring a chance to get into a good rhythm. At the earliest to be testing in a week four maybe a week five. What do you think?
  • That sounds pretty good to me coach.
    I will do the bike testing since that does not seem to make things worse.
    I am going to run most days for short intervals at my MP and continue stretching and foam roller with no hard interval or hill runs since that seems to irritate things.
    THanks
  • Coach Patrick,

    Things are looking up. The hamstring is almost well. Still occasionally achy if I do hills or hard intervals but I have been doing 2 miles per day on the treadmill at Z1 pace for a couple of weeks with minimal discomfort. Trying to work on Frequency for durability. The bike is going well (FTP up 12% so far this OS). I feel like I will be able to test on schedule with the OS crew half way through (In about 3 weeks).



    My question is this : at what point do I transition from the high frequency lower intensity running to more speed specific work? Should I just finish out the OS working on durability and the ability to maintain Z1 for longer rather than working on speed?  Or should I test on schedule and continue the frequency while beginning to work intervals back into my plan over the last half of the OS?  I am leaning towards the former since I am a bit skittish about irritating the hamstring again as I approach race season.
  • Yeah I am with you for continued consistency no flash in the OS. What's the rush for intensity...I could see you start putting some alternating work...like 3 miles one day, 2 another. Would be nice to have you get up to like 20 miles a week...but slowly!

    If you are really adventurous you could also play with some incline in on the Tmill -- 2% or 3% (no higher).

    What do you think?
  • Good Deal Coach,

    I have been running the treadmill at 2% incline the whole time. I will start increasing my mileage slowly and I will shoot for 15 miles per week over the next few weeks and 20 miles per week by the end of the OS. Interestingly, the hamstring seems more irritating when I don't run and less so when I run.

  • Good plan! If you have noticed that "non running tightness" it might be worth looking at the environmental stuff. Your desk, daily habits, etc. I find folks who sit a lot (Car? Work?) can get pretty tight. When you get a chance give me a run down of what that looks like too!
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