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2016/17 NovOS Week 2 Run Thread - Let the Work Begin

With test week behind us, it's time to get to work.

The week's primary runs are the long run on Wednesday and the speedwork on Sunday, each increasing in duration over the OS.

Tuesday and Thursday are stride runs, brick them or complete them later in the day.

It is suggested to complete Saturday'so run as a brick, though work it in as you can.
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  • Phil, thanks!!! As an admin reminder to users on the Run Tracker sheet, please only enter your name (column "B" and the distance for each run under each week...everything else will be auto-calculated. 


    New users need to add themselves to the bottom of the sheet..just remember your number to find it more easily next time!

    ~ Coach P

  • I did Wk1 Sunday run today ... just didn't feel well enough yesterday ... cold/stomach issue ... feeling much better today after 3 hour nap image

    Pace zones are good. HR zones are good. Pace zones well matched to HR zones. All set for the real work starting Wednesday.
  • I seem to have trouble keeping my heart rate within my TRP range. Does anyone else have this problem? If so how do you control it?
  • Did the brick run today. @David - usually for these, my HR for TRP is about 4-5 bpm higher. If it goes beyond that, I just back the pace down a little. I figure the more important thing on these Tuesday runs is to get them done, and the pace is secondary. YMMV.
  • Thanks Bill. I was contemplating allowing myself a 5% variance to keep from walking to reduce my HR. That would be pretty close to your approach. I've got 45min to work on it in the morning.
  • I also have a hard time keeping the heart rate in TRP range for brick runs. I usually end up letting it go higher to try to hold pace, but I can see your point that brick runs are not for speed work, just time in the saddle.  I got a 3.5 mile run done in 30 mins, which is right at TRP ave for the entire run including strides. Right knee cap is getting a little cranky, so I might have to get some ART work done on it before it gets out of hand.

  • @David, like Ed, I don't worry about HR on brick runs due to starting with an elevated HR from the bike wko. However, if running by pace, the goal should be to know your HRs at Z1, Z2, Z3, and Z4. If running by HR, then the goal is to know your paces at the different HR zones. For me, I can't run following both pace and HR, meaning my TRP pace does not result in my TRP HR. I don't think the intent is for the HR zones to match the Pace zones because HR is so individualized and influenced by many factors. I think the guidance is to pick one or the other.
  • @ David, Bell, Ed and Eric - Listen to the run paces podcast in the upper right corner of this weeks training plan.  Coach P says to run to the zone pace (rather than heart rate).  I know he has said in the past to pay more attention to pace rather than HR for zone targets in the Outseason.  

  • Second Brian's comments. The OS is about building a faster engine which will naturally drive your HR up. I check my HR from time to time to see where it is at a the pace I'm running, but that's about it.

    @ Marvin - Sometimes a little rest makes all the difference. Great getting it in.

    @ Bill - nice bricking the run

    @ David - Lots of good responses for you above.

    @Ed - Looks pretty solid to me

    @Derrek - Great summary

    Completed yesterday's run as a brick off the bike. Late one as I finished around 11:45 pm

    I completely lucked out on the weather for today's TRP run. It was pouring down rain all morning and I had already expected that I would be running in it. By lunch time the clouds cleared and blue skies prevailed. Had a monster wind to deal with though.

    60' for 7.35 miles at or above TRP. Added a couple of steep hills in with the wind. I dropped the final push in preparation for tomorrow Z5 morning's bike work.
  • Wednesday run done. Tried a new running route and got completely lost in some neighborhood for 20min always thinking "this road looks familiar". I ended up running 1:23 and 10.3mi which was way too much. The run itself felt ok, but now I'm beat. It's been one thing after another. We'll see how the rest of the week goes.

     

     

  • @Ashton - rest up those legs and that cold for tomorrow's bike & run.
  • @Phil - for sure, will do. Feel like I'm extending this cold indefinitely...
  • @Phil @Derrick @Bill listened to the podcast. Guess I'm a little slow on the uptake. Is my TRP pace simply the max speed that I can run all day? Or is this some type of test I'm missing. Basically it seeme in the podcast that if you felt your zone needed bumping you just took it up at small increments til it was uncomfortable. Am I off here? Sorry if I'm missing the obvious here.
  • @David - traditionally the average of Z1 and Z2 = TRP/LRP. Yes, it should feel like an all-day pace.

    Speaking of TRP, did my long run on the TM today at mine (~10:15 @ 1.5) in progression fashion. 5.8 miles total. Didn't feel too bad at the end, although stairs let me know my quads had done something...
  • Wow, today's run sucked. 5 miles and it felt hard. Legs aren't in shape yet. Coaching my 2 kids soccer teams ended today, so hopefully I'll have more time to do more recovery things in the evening.

    Stretching and foam rolling in the evening before bed have helped me get through the last few OS's.

    Great job everyone!
  • @Dave, Your TRP is calculated for you once you enter your 5K test results. Look for it amongst your run Zones. Like Bill said, it's mid way between your Z1 and Z2 paces.

    My Wednesday run went well, too well. I ended up running about 15"/mile faster than my TRP. And, I ran too fast during today's brick run. I just started running by feel a few weeks ago and I'm purposely not looking at my pace or HR until after I'm finished. I think I'll start looking at my mile splits as I don't need to over do it and have the fatigue build up too soon.
  • In accidentally ran too fast as well. I don't set the workout on my Garmin because the constant beeping too high or too low annoys me. But when I look at it, it always measures about a minute too fast. So I end up going by feel and adjusting each mile as I go along, which usually works pretty well, once I'm used to my paces. Unless I'm tired. Or sore. Or something. Anyone else have this? Should I just suck it up and put workout in and let it beep?
  • In accidentally ran too fast as well. I don't set the workout on my Garmin because the constant beeping too high or too low annoys me. But when I look at it, it always measures about a minute too fast. So I end up going by feel and adjusting each mile as I go along, which usually works pretty well, once I'm used to my paces. Unless I'm tired. Or sore. Or something. Anyone else have this? Should I just suck it up and put workout in and let it beep?
  • In accidentally ran too fast as well. I don't set the workout on my Garmin because the constant beeping too high or too low annoys me. But when I look at it, it always measures about a minute too fast. So I end up going by feel and adjusting each mile as I go along, which usually works pretty well, once I'm used to my paces. Unless I'm tired. Or sore. Or something. Anyone else have this? Should I just suck it up and put workout in and let it beep?
  • @Leslie, One reason I switched to running by feel is because I got tired of being controlled by my gps watch/pace/HR. So, I say continue what you're doing and monitor yourself to avoid injury/too much fatigue. However, on the mile intervals, I'd try to be within 5-10" of Z4.
  • @Leslie, I held my pacing for about half of the run, but let it increase for the last half. I opted to drop the Z2 push for the last mile as I knew it would impact my Thursday bike wko.

    There are two things to keep in mind when it comes to pacing:
    1. Is it going to impact my next wko.
    2. How will it contribute to the cumulative fatigue that is building over the next 12.5 weeks.
  • Great! Thx! Ok- so no slave to the constant beeps. I do pretty well on Z4. Sometimes Z3 is too slow and TRP and Z2 are a bit too fast. But I'm still feeling good. And it adds to the fun to see how close I can get.
  • Thanks Derrick. I'm thinking TRP as in pace like min/mile. I Have trouble staying at that low rate. Today I worked on dropping my speed about 30 sec per mile. That might be an answer to my delimma

    As a newbie I'm constantly amazed at the activity and support on the forums. Thanks everyone for all the help.
  • Thanks Derrick. I'm thinking TRP as in pace like min/mile. I Have trouble staying at that low rate. Today I worked on dropping my speed about 30 sec per mile. That might be an answer to my delimma

    As a newbie I'm constantly amazed at the activity and support on the forums. Thanks everyone for all the help.
  • Got the run and strides done as a brick this evening; as Phil said earlier, having the TM next to the trainer makes this a little easier!
  • Did the run before my ride tonight. I feel like my legs are finally coming back after my long hiatus. Paces are getting closer to what I use to be, though still work to be done, and I don't feel like I'm dying the whole time. I leave Saturday for sunny San Diego for work, so can't wait to get some nice runs along the water!
  • Brick run again this evening, but earlier that Tuesday'so. I'm not sure how I wouldd have gotten this one in today without the TM.

    @David I usually have to hold back to keep a TRP pace. nice work.

    @ Bill - not sure how I would have gotten today's run in without the TM.

    @ Rachel great to hear things are coming back online after your time off. Enjoy the sun down in SoCal.
  • Is there any way to record pace/splits/distance on the TM? I know the TM records this, but how can I get that info into my Garmin 920 or Training Peaks/Strava? Some piece of tech that does this? Right now I can record my time, heart rate, and then remember the total mileage to manually enter later.
  • Ashton - Unless your TM is Ant+ enabled (unlikely), you need a either the Garmin Running Heart Rate strap for your 920 (less accurate) or the Garmin Foot Pod (more accurate once calibrated).  Use the Run Indoor activity profile and you will be all set.

    Assuming you have either the HR strap or the FP, then you will get milage on the 920.  Synching to TP/Strava is a simple matter of going into connect.garmin.com and enabling the sync under settings.  Google has step-by-step directions.

    If your TM is Ant+ enabled, then you pair your TM to your 920 just like any other device.  That said, TMs are notoriously poor wrt calibration.  I prefer the Foot Pod because when I run outside on GPS it automatically calibrates and when I run indoors it gives me accurate pace and distance data.

  • Perfect, thanks Marvin. I'll get the foot pod.
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