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Week 2 run thread

 Ditto to the bike-and-brick thread:


"OK, it's only Monday, but last week was kind of an admin disaster on posting workouts, etc., so I thought I'd go ahead and get a jump on this in advance so we have it in one place.  Enjoy the rest day!"

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  • let me start my wk 2 run thread by updating leg status. R Hamstring sore/tight. Will try tomorrow's ez brick run w strides as a gauge for Wednesday's run focus. Going to PT on Friday cuz I want to stay on top of this, earlier rather than later.

  • you guys are just too organized aren't you. Guess somebody has to keep all of us in line.

    I do agree last week was a nightmare disaster figuring out where to really post any workout.

    Thks.
  • I'm also in agreement with last week being a mess! Thank you for organizing it all!
  • As I am on a minor tour of the northeast this week (concord NH this morning, springfield MA this afternoon and then Paterson NJ tomorrow -- all the glamor spots) had to take it out of order and did the running today. Went pretty hard and broke it up as one 2 mile interval and one 1 mile interval. At the one and half mark it seemed that it would be easier to keep going than to do another one and a half.

    Total of 6.5 in a touch over 45 minutes.
  • Chris, give me a little advance notice next time you pass through Springfield MA and have time for lunch (or a meet-up after work). I usually telecommute but have an office at our manufacturing plant in Springfield.
  • Good wko today. Still trying to fit into a morning routine. Started at 0530 and ended at 0700. I guess this will be pretty much the norm for Tuesday wkos. Felt strong and hit the bike zones and the run targets. Scheduling seems to be a critical task on Monday  - even though it's an off day!

  • @ Kevin - will do.
  •  Got in 5.5 miles with the main set of 2 X 1.5m @ 6:40 & 6:45 pace. A lot harder than it should have been. Did my Vdot test on Oct 3rd and have only run two or three times since but got it down on the hamster wheel @ 1% grade. 

     

  • connect.garmin.com/activity/56198072

    I think I need a nap after that one............

    Good luck today team!

  • 5 miles in 37:00 with 2x1.5 TP @ 6:26 and 6:33. I don't really like the 1.5's and am looking forward to the mile repeats.

  • Posted By Matt Sullivan on 10 Nov 2010 08:07 AM

    5 miles in 37:00 with 2x1.5 TP @ 6:26 and 6:33. I don't really like the 1.5's and am looking forward to the mile repeats.





     

    Matt, that's smokin!........................

  • Today was a new experiment for me.  Brought the little one with me to the gym as I really don't feel like pushing her in the stroller for threshold work, plus it is fairly windy.  Ok so I am weak but come December, January etc there is no way I am bundling her up just so I can  run.  So I drop her off in the kid center and to the treadmill I go.

    Treadmill @ 1%

    Warm up for 15' @ 8:40

    3 1/2 mile reppeats @ 7:03, 7:03, 6:58

    As I am getting ready to start up the mile @ TP I get a tap on the arm asking if I had heard them calling my name over the intercom.  Well of course I hadn't or I would have responded.  Why are some people so dumb?  Apparently Chelsea has been crying so they need me to come get her.  Kind of sucked as legs were feeling pretty good.  Oh well I owe you guys one @ TP that I will do as part of my brick tomorrow.

    @Chris - Paterson?  Hope you brought your flak jacket.  You are right, all the glamour spots.

  • ROCKED the run intervals today!  Really enjoying the shift from "long-slow" training last year to SPEED WORK this year!! 

    On the intermediate plan, did the following (my TP/Z4 goal is 7:53/mile):

    3 x 1/2 mile (3') @ TP/Z4:

    • 1st at 3:51 (7:42/mile)
    • 2nd at 3:52 (7:44/mile)
    • 3rd at 3:52 (7:44/mile)

    1x mile @ TP/Z4: 7:42

    Intervals felt "just right".  Good WORK and tired at end but still with "gas in the tank" at the end.  Already looking forward to next performance test!

  • The intervals (run) felt good today. The legs feel like they are starting to respond a little better to the workouts. 10 minute warm up-I did this at the E/L pace, the 3~30 seconds on (blasted these as fast as I could and concentrated on striding out but with good form), the 3x800 and 1x1600, followed by a 5 minute cool down. I am doing everything on a treadmill vs the track.

    I noticed the heart rate is liking the intervals and during the 3 minute recovery the HR fell quickly.

    Tomorrow brings a shift x 24 hours at the fire station so going to try this going to bed early and getting up way early to get my bike done before work. Nothing sucks worse than getting into the groove at work on the trainer and get an alarm. Ruins the rest of the workout.

    Be safe
  • Hey all in our Data tool under training zones for my run Run Zones the HR comes up for each zone but no pace. Just wondering if the pace is suppose to be in there also.

    I did go to the vDOT attack point page to find my paces but just was wondering why it doesn't show up in the data tool....Thanks



  • @ George - Text book stats you put up there today!  Keep that up and we will witness some great improvements coming from you this OS.

    @ Carl - I have the same problem - HR zones yes, but no pace zones......I used http://www.runbayou.com/jackd.htm to derive my pace zones.......

  • All, quick question about run pacing. 

    For myself on the bike, power supercedes all.  I don't worry about HR too much.

    For running though, do I want to do today's Z4 run based on pace or HR?

    Ideally they will be one in the same, but what in the event they don't line up? 

    ie, I am running a 7:50 (Z4 pace), but HR is above Z4, do I pull back pace to get HR in line?

    I suppose the same goes for the desired pace, but HR too low, do I ramp up speed (i doubt this will be the case image

    Thanks!

    Ed

  • Posted By Ed Gross on 10 Nov 2010 02:55 PM

    All, quick question about run pacing. 

    For myself on the bike, power supercedes all.  I don't worry about HR too much.

    For running though, do I want to do today's Z4 run based on pace or HR?

    Ideally they will be one in the same, but what in the event they don't line up? 

    ie, I am running a 7:50 (Z4 pace), but HR is above Z4, do I pull back pace to get HR in line?

    I suppose the same goes for the desired pace, but HR too low, do I ramp up speed (i doubt this will be the case

    Thanks!

    Ed



    Run with pace and glance at the HR.  Somedays it could be much lower, somedays higher.  But pace is key.

  • OK, I got demolished out there today.  

    I don't regret it at all, but yesterday, I put off my easy brick run to use as warmup for a soccer game.  Well, I haven't actually played full field soccer for a few years, so I was pretty excited, but then my parent-teacher conference went on too long, and my warmup turned into two miles at HMP instead of 25 minutes easy.   

    And, since I have no skills whatsoever at soccer, that turned into 90 minutes of sprint-jog-run-fall-down-sprint-rest-run-etc with not all that many touches on the ball.  OK, I could have played another hour, and had a bit of an advantage over the other oldsters who were fading pretty bad, but oh my goodness was I sore to start today.

    When I started running, I wasn't sure I'd get any faster than 10 minute miles...oy.  I knew it was going to be tough so I just went on my 3-mile loop around campus that I could do two times to get my 45 min or bail at any point if I had to.

    TP, as of my last test was 6:51.  For my first 1.5 mi, I intentionally took a long warmup and then started at a relatively flat, or even a little downhill part.  Running (only) that fast has not seemed like so much work in a long time...  took a longer rest than proscribed, but managed to hit the second one ok also.

    TP 6:51

    1.5 mi lap #1 6:56/mi

    1.5 mi lap #2 6:47/mi

    Finishing, shower, and compression socks:  priceless.

    http://connect.garmin.com/activity/56247853

     

  • Got mine done early. The new VDOT has dropped my paces quite a bit, so I'm still adjusting:

    15:00 w/u
    1.5M @ 6:50 (6:49 target) (5' walk/jog recovery)
    1.5M @ 6:52 (5' walk/jog recovery)

    I agree with Matt that the 1.5 mile is a particularly tough distance at Z4. Makes you feel good to hit those numbers, though!
  • Doing the advanced plan:
    2 x 1.5 mile (4') @ TP/Z4 (7:36/mile):
    7:31
    7:33

    Most of my run training for the past few years has been steady pace (to avoid injury). I love mixing in intervals. It definitely makes the time go faster. Although, 1.5 miles seems sooooo much further than 1 mile. It also doesn’t help that I have a bit of vacation weight from last week to get ride of.
  • I was dreading today, thinking, "no not intervals". But, I actually improved from Sunday to:

    .5 at 3:28/3:19/3:18 and 1 mile at 6:42 with the last at AVHR of 174. Hard to keep HR in the zones in the dark - I'm sure others work through this also.

    So far - so good. Next time I'll look forward to this. Maybe time to start the ice/epsom salt bath routine to ward away injuries.
  • Posted By Ed Gross on 10 Nov 2010 02:55 PM

    All, quick question about run pacing. 

    For myself on the bike, power supercedes all.  I don't worry about HR too much.

    For running though, do I want to do today's Z4 run based on pace or HR?

    Ideally they will be one in the same, but what in the event they don't line up? 

    ie, I am running a 7:50 (Z4 pace), but HR is above Z4, do I pull back pace to get HR in line?

    I suppose the same goes for the desired pace, but HR too low, do I ramp up speed (i doubt this will be the case

    Thanks!

    Ed

    I would just focus on the pace, as Tucker said. I view heart rate as secondary. It's good feedback to see if there is a problem. I also enjoy seeing gain in fitness express itself with lower heart rates at faster speeds.

  • Actually had a great run tonight.  Enjoying it and knowing it will get very hard, very soon.  Also found a great track that is light at night, perfect for after work runs right now. 

  • Wednesday 11/10/2010

    12min W/U (1.41mi / 8:31 pace / 160 bpm)

    1 - .59mi @ 7:38 Z4 (164bpm Z3)

    2 - .51mi @ 7:40 Z4 (164bpm Z3)

    3 - .50mi @ 7:41 Z4 (164bpm Z3)

    4 - 1.0mi @ 7:38 Z4 (170 bpm Z3)

    Total 5.42mi (162 bpm avg) 45:01m.

    Average cadence 81rpm, which is good for me, something I am working on.  Needs to keep climbing.  Heart rate not skyrocketing is a good sign that run fitness is coming along.  First 5+ mile run in Newtons.  Ouch.

  • Nice work and some fast people in the OS as always.  I got the workout in this morning on the treadmill.  Everything felt much better than Tuesday with some extra sleep.

    3X .5 @ 4:56;4:55;4:54 and 1X1 @ 9:48 - TP is 9:47

    Total 3.7 miles

    Entire workout (134 bpm):

        Duration:       45:32

                              Min    Max   Avg

        Heart Rate:    87      159    128    bpm

    I can feel some of the fitness losses from my 9 week layoff coming back.  I saw the post on the team feed by coach Rich stating that he figured 10-15 watts coming back in a week.  This got me thinking of when I should possibly retest as I lost 4 vdot points and 36 on my FTP.   Right now the run feels easier but that could be due to my sleep patterns more and anything.

    Gordon

  • First treadmill run of the season for today's run. Disappointing that I'll be on the treadmill for a while now I guess. Hit the target pacing at 7:22 min/mi for the 3x1/2 mi and 1x1 mile repeats. Felt good but had a bit of tightness in the left hamstring. I"ll need to work on some stretching Friday.
  • @Carl @Shaughn I'm getting both HR and pace in the Data Tool

    @Shaugn Thanks!

  •  Great work everybody.  I did today's run on the track which was fun I have to say.  

    3x .5 @ 6:00, 5:55, and 5:59 pace.  1 mile @ 6:00.  

    http://connect.garmin.com/activity/56221587

     

     

     

     

    Oh and I swam 1000 afterwards....sshhh....don't tell!   See my swim thread in the General Training Forum for an explanation...

    http://members.endurancenation.us/Community/Forums/tabid/101/aff/24/aft/4041/afv/topic/Default.aspx

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