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Will new HITS Triathlon Series Iron Distance races survive?

In case you aren't aware, there is a new triathlon series starting in Palm Springs this Dec and continuing one per month at different venues around the U.S. until the following Dec  when it returns to Palm Springs for the "championship".   Each month's race includes a super sprint (free), a sprint ($90), an OLY ($150), a half iron ($250), and an iron distance race ($600).  Yep, you read that right, an independent (see http://www.hitstriathlonseries.com/) that is charging as much as WTC, but with zero history of hosting a well-run event outside of equestrian.  They will also hold a pre-race camp one month before each event (for a fee of course).  Although Dave Scott has lent his name to help advertise the new series, I'm predicting that the iron distance portion of this series (and maybe the half-iron) is going to go down in flames with absolutely minimal participation.   What do you all think?  Are they just trying to cash in on the growth of triathlon and have they completely misjudged the market?

Check slowtwitch, XTri, and TriJuice for announcements and interviews about the new series.

BTW, this reminds of the 2011 Aqua Terra series which announced four different swim/run races at 9 venues including the national championship in San Francisco.   Eight of the nine series events were cancelled due to low registration.  The only one that survived was in Clearwater and they had maybe a couple dozen participants.  The sad demise of that series can be viewed at http://www.aquaterraracing.com/index.html.

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  • If you read more about the events, you'll see that the distances are all over the place. Not Oly, 70.3 or 140.6. I'm all about racing non-MDot stuff, but at least give me a distance that I have a history with.

  • Hmm - I missed that little asterisk just below the list of official distances. It's worse than I thought.
  • Crazy to be charging full fare like that, given the obvious weaknesses.
  • Posted By William Jenks on 20 Jul 2011 09:04 PM

    Crazy to be charging full fare like that, given the obvious weaknesses.

    Yes.  The group that provides the same experience for less money than WTC is the one that's going to do well.  

  • This is the kind of thinking that arose among commercial lenders and real estate developers from 2005-08: "In this market, we CAN'T lose". We all know how well THAT turned out. Half built projects everywhere, in foreclosure.

  • $600??? Really? I'm all about supporting non-WTC events to increase competition, but there are other established independant events I'd throw my money to first before I plunked down $600 for something of an unknown.
  • This sounds like it has the potential to be dangerous for racers. Especially since it looks like it's all about the $$$.
  • This is all you need to know about the series, the only reason why it exists:

    "I’ve also got great partners. Our private equity partner, Leonard Green, has been supportive of the horse business and they like this market. They pursue it and they’re prepared to back it up. They are the owner of Sports Authority and they have a big interest in an athletic club. They know the sports business and they like this market. That is a big plus. I remember training earlier and my coach said I should look into entertaining the idea of long distances. He told me how hard it can be to get into an Ironman race. It seems there’s more demand than supply. We can see the market can afford to have someone else in it."

    Sounds like this horsey-guy is a big money player, has done a couple races and put together an idea that some other big money players bought in to.

    I give it 12mo and we'll never hear from them again...

     

  • Interesting how their AGs are: "One Year Age Groups* (M/F) Example: F40, M43, F27, M32." Not sure if that meas there are like 80-100 AGs (20-70 year olds and M/F) or if that is just for their ranking purposes.

  • I think they are positioning themselves as delivering better service to the athlete at the same price as WTC.  It is easy claim to make but do not think they will get enough participants to be a viable business for HIM and IM distances. 



    I think the real growth is in "challenge" races like Warrior Dash and to a lesser extent, Tough Mudder.   

     

  • My guess is they take a HUGE lose in the first year due to having so many races and many will likely have very low registration. However, IF they have enough money to survive that and can prove they are really offering a great product and giving us more for our money than WTC, Rev3, Challenge, they MAY have a chance to grow the second year.

    A July "140.6ish" race in Galena IL and/or an August one in nothern Wisconsin is pretty appealing to me, if I can sign up for it up until right before the race, it is run well, and there is decent competition. Like Rich, the distance kind of bother me though, is it that hard to add an out and back somewhere to actually get the distance right?

    I personally would have tested the water with three races (and a series champion in each AG decided by points). Then added more races next year if it went well. But I'm also conservative and don't take big risks.

    I think it is awesome they are trying this and really hope it works out but I have serious doubts. WTC has ironman races that don't sell out, so I don't think demand for any old 140.6 race is as high as people think... demand is high for certain events with great venues, reputations, support, kona slots, etc.
  • @ Matt - like Rich cautioned,the distances are all over the map. I looked at the January series in Naples, FL and the Half is 1.2mi swim, 56 mi bike and 11 mi run. The "full" is even further off - 2.4 mi swim, 90 mile bike, and 22 mile run - what the heck is that? Who is going to pay $600 for a so-called full that doesn't even qualify as iron distance? BTW, Galena has a 94 mile bike/25 mile run and Cable appears to be TBD at the moment.
  • I honestly feel kind of like a snob wishing anyone ill will, but honestly, wtf? The price, the sheer amount of races, the distances, none of this seems to have any basis in reality. I can't help but feel like that they didn't talk to any athletes prior to putting this all together, or surely someone would have said to go an alternate route.

    I'm all for supporting small/local races, but this just seems all wrong.
  • Yeah, the whack distances are a non-starter for me, for anything longer than an Oly, unless you're calling it something whack and epic, in which case don't call it full or half of anything and make the distances REALLY off. Like a 70mi bike with 10k of gain followed by a 10mi trail run. SupaCoolMan or something similar :-)
  • Hmmmm, trying to be open minded here but this was eye opening:  Ocala = FIVE bike loops and FOUR out-n-backs on the run. And yet you're still not getting the satisfaction of completing a full marathon. Good grief Charlie Brown; shoot me now. Or maybe I'd just run back to my hotel to get those extra 2.2 they couldn't be bothered with... 

  • Posted By Jenn Edwards on 22 Jul 2011 01:31 AM

    Hmmmm, trying to be open minded here but this was eye opening:  Ocala = FIVE bike loops and FOUR out-n-backs on the run. And yet you're still not getting the satisfaction of completing a full marathon. Good grief Charlie Brown; shoot me now. Or maybe I'd just run back to my hotel to get those extra 2.2 they couldn't be bothered with... 

     

    Holy crap, so 4x out and back on the run and they STILL can't get in a marathon? You can add .5mi to each out and back? More importantly...and Dave Scott is putting his name/endorsement behind this? 

    Wonder how big the check was?

  • Well, the organizers have apparently taken some withering feedback on the oddball distances. They announced today that all the events will now be the standard distance...actual 70.3 and 140.6 races. And this is out there as well...love the part about being able to sit down in transition! But man, the awards ceremony will take forever...5 different race events at each venue, each with 3 awards for 1 year age groups...an all day affair!

    "Here is what you can expect to experience at a HITS Triathlon event:

    • On-site food service for athletes and spectators with a healthy assortment of offerings for purchase
    • Complimentary shuttle transportation for athletes, family and friends where needed
    • Chip timing with remote detection points and text message updates available
    • Individual bike racks with personal seat and box for belongings
    • On-site bike shop/repair at every event
    • Massive score-board with minute-to-minute updates
    • Live streaming coverage of all distances for online and race-day viewing on multiple flat screens throughout course/VIP/transition areas
    • Top-notch VIP tent for athletes, sponsors and family/friends
    • Leaders in all distances will have an escort vehicle (Bike-car/motorcycle; Run-bicycle)
    • Swim courses are marked with 2-meter floats and safety vessels every 20 meters
    • Family/friends welcome to cross finish line with athletes
    • Athlete welcome parties and award ceremonies with free food
    • Champions crowned first through third in one year age groups
    • Dave Scott video tips and online training program
    • Great swag/goodie bags
    • Raceday Transport to provide bike and gear transport services to HITS Triathlon events
  • Posted By Paul Hough on 31 Aug 2011 05:29 PM

    5 different race events at each venue, each with 3 awards for 1 year age groups...an all day affair!



     

    Sorry, but that's just stupid. "I was 3rd of 3 people in the 43yo AG."

    The other stuff is good, great, cool to see, good value, etc. But the above is just stupid. I don't see any reason for it other than to pander to people's egos, giving them a major award (FRAGILE'!) they can put on the desk at work.

    Prediction: series will be dead 6mo into the first season.

  • Posted By Rich Strauss on 31 Aug 2011 05:42 PM
    Posted By Paul Hough on 31 Aug 2011 05:29 PM

    5 different race events at each venue, each with 3 awards for 1 year age groups...an all day affair!



     

    Sorry, but that's just stupid. "I was 3rd of 3 people in the 43yo AG."

    The other stuff is good, great, cool to see, good value, etc. But the above is just stupid. I don't see any reason for it other than to pander to people's egos, giving them a major award (FRAGILE'!) they can put on the desk at work.

    Prediction: series will be dead 6mo into the first season.



    FRAGILE???  It must be Italian!

  • @ Lynne - In Sep, HITS lowered their entry fee for the Full Iron Distance races from $600 to $475. I bet they weren't getting many takers at the original price. In fact, I was amazed that thought they could charge a name brand price without an established reputation for race management. The HIT Sprint and Olympic series may have a chance, but I wouldn't bet money that the half/full series will survive. The first one in 2012 is close to me, but our outdoor season in Florida starts in March, not January. Unless some folks from Canada and the northern tier states come down, it may not attract a lot of locals. I don't see any mention of it in the local tri space.

  • I see:

    • Cancelled races in 2012
    • Greatly reduced calendar in 2013
    • Gone by 2014
  • Galena was already cancelled for 2012, but the have replaced it with one in Colorado the same weekend.
  • @ Matt - to be fair, Galena was canceled because the venue would not be ready in time as a result of construction. The Fort Collins race is merely a substitute. So at this point, there are technically no cancellations in the schedule...they still have a full slate. But I'm with Rich on this one...don't think they will last.
  • They're attempting way too much too soon. They should have tried to put on a few regional events and pick a distance or two at each. Kind of like Rev3. 12 events with four or five distances at each race is just too much.

    I agree with Paul that the shorter distance stuff might survive but it doesn't seem like they're getting many takers for the long races. There's a big difference between doing a half-assed run sprint race than a half-assed run 140.6 race. I'd be real skeptical about their long stuff.
  • Horses are great place to lose money. Tri could be even better.
    They should've tried to buy Rev 3. Wonder if they did.
  • I think they are taking on way too much so early in the game, but I am sort of hoping they can stick around long enough to nudge WTC/Others to improve the race experience. The individual transition areas is cool and the video boards and athlete tracking for spectators would be really nice.
  • I just noticed the October race is in Michigan?!?! Average high is 62, low of 41 on October 6th. Burrr!
  • Posted By Daniela Williams on 17 Oct 2011 04:13 PM

    I just noticed the October race is in Michigan?!?! Average high is 62, low of 41 on October 6th. Burrr!



    It's about as smart as putting a race in the Poconos on the same date.  No organization would do that, right? 

  • Yikes! Just reading some reviews on Slowtwitch of the first HITS race in Palm Springs today. Not good, not good at all - and today was just the sprint and oly races. The HIM and IM distance are tomorrow. If the short course races were a clusterf**k, I can't imagine how bad it will be for the long course races.

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