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The "Member Tips for the OS" Thread

Lots of new members on board, lots of members doing their first OS for us. Great to see and this is our 5th (?) OutSeason so this is not our first rodeo. I also have many members on board for whom this will be their 2-5th trip into the Pain Cave with us!



Every year we see the same issues so the intent of this post is to capture all of those community lessons learned. Here’s mine:



The OS is Hard Work

The while the vets are saying "no shit" right now, many of the new folks are/will be looking at the plans and saying "blah...5-7hrs...no sweat!" Notes:

  • It's likely that your definition of "hard" or "work" was largely a function of time in the saddle or on the road. For example, you did a 1hr run on Thursday in week 1, 1:15 in Week 2, etc. Or your Saturday bike was 3hrs, then 3.5hrs, then 4hrs, etc. You turned up the training dial by turning up the volume dial. That's now how we do things here, especially in the OS.
  • We keep the volume dial the same, pinned at ~5-7hrs per week, and then REALLY move the intensity dial around, a lot. So our "hard" is not your "hard." You will likely experience a bit of a disconnect between the two, especially in the first 4-6wks. We see this every year:
  • You're used to doing this workout on Tuesday, your friends do that session on Wednesday, surely it can't hurt if I do this 3hr group ride on Sunday, and my marathon training group runs 1.5-2hrs on Sunday...I want to hang out with my buds! Understand that the OS plan, as you see it, is in about it's 9th generation of improvement.

Every workout, every session, and it's relationship to the other workouts around it ,has been honed, improved, and vetted. The more of your stuff that you try to hold onto, the more extra credit stuff you sneak in here and there, the more unaccounted variables you begin to introduce into the plan and the less predictable it becomes. Inevitably, because it happens every year, some of you will blow off this guidance and you'll crash and burn in about week 5 or 6. In other words, the plan will sneak up on you.

Vets: please share your tips with everyone!





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  • When looking at your running paces in the data tool, please remember that these are your MAXIMUM paces for a given interval. If it says TP pace and your TP pace is 7:30, then 7:29 is TOO FAST. We emphasize this more on the bike for some reason (see the overachieving in the OS post), but you can get away with it more on the bike than you can on the run. In other words, yes +5 watt over your 230 watt threshold is too much, but in reality it's only 2%. However, 10 second per mile over your TP can drop your 10k time by well over a minute. Be careful on the RUN!!!
  • To add to Keith's point - last year I "overachieved" early on the bike intervals and ended up losing 3 weeks of OS due to a calf strain. 100% means 100%.

    Also, FTP testing and run testing takes some practice. Don't worry if you don't get it perfect the first time. You will test again. And yes there will be differences in outdoor vs. outdoor testing. Just try to be consistent throughout the OS in your testing method.

    Don't get hung up comparing #s with others. They only mean something for YOU. Running and riding is just as much a function of your weight, body comp, age, etc.

    IMO - the best thing you can do in the OS - is be consistent in your training and your effort over the entire OS.
  • Im currently entering my 2nd OS with EN-after a full year of EN training-and I can not stress enough that the volume will come, before you know it! Take this time to get in some hardcore intensity and once the springtime rolls around, you'll be in a great place both physically and mentally to start the volume of the HIM and IM plans!
  • On the trainer, you can not have too much fan. If you want to hit the watts, you gotta keep the cooling on. 3rd OS here, again, don't over achieve early, you will pay later. If you think its too easy, perhaps you didn't test well. If you get a good test, it will not be easy. Great timing on the original post!!
  • Compression gear. Get it and wear it. I picked up a bunch of colored socks from Dr Leonards for like $10 a pair. Wear them to work and legs feel great.
  • I learned last year that having a great (overachieving) ride on Tuesday can lead to a bad (can't even hit the low range of the ftp guidance) ride on Thursday. Kinda reminds me of the people walking the IM marathon talking about their great bike splits.
  • Posted By Dave Campbell on 08 Nov 2011 07:25 PM

    don't over achieve early, you will pay later. If you think its too easy, perhaps you didn't test well. If you get a good test, it will not be easy.



    ^^THIS^^   Save that 102% for your next FTP test.  

  • Yep, I hear you! Caught a cold in week 3, turned into chest infection and two weeks off. Repeated week 3 last week and now on week 4 of OS Int. Feeling the work this week for sure and have been cutting the sessions short to allow me to do them all. I really hope that next week will feel better! If not I'll bump down to the OS Beginners to be sure to stay healthy.
  • In a somewhat similar vein:

    Having to postpone the run portion of my Nov OS due to hip tendonitis. Doing the rehab work now but going to wait at least 4-6 weeks before trying again. 3 weeks rest wasn't enough in october.

    To the point: Biking is fine with the hip. Should I just follow the plan as far as biking? Would it hurt to replace one or two of the runs with an additional bike or two in order to maintain frequency and capitalize on this time to boost my bike? How about throwing in some of that forbidden swimming?

    After reading the above, thought you might have some ideas as to plan "enhancements".
  • Don't be afraid to fuel these workouts. These are hard, and will deplete glycogen stores. If you're trying to avoid eating before, during, or after these workouts, it will absolutely catch up to you. Spend some time looking at the calories burned in a typical workout, and make sure you're putting some of that back in you during and/or immediately after the workout.

    There's no medal handed out for feeling like trash, getting exhausted and grumpy, snapping at your children, and generally being a lousy person. Not that I know anything about that personally...
  • 95% to 96% of a currently ACCURATE FTP is good enough most days. My days of laying down an IF of 1.05 for regular workouts are over.
  • Does anyone know where the thread for "How to pace your FTP test" lies? Can't find it and it has certainly helped me. The points that I recall (hoping they were as written)...



    1. Take the first 20 min at your old or "realistic" FTP

    2. Take the next 20 at your desired/reach FTP



    Said differently, if you are redlining at 10 min in the odds of hanging in another 30 minutes are almost nil...



    When i was at 200' ish after my first test with power, 3rd FTP test overall I started the first effort at 215. A 7% bump was more than the fitness I had. Made it through the first set and started the 2nd set and HR hit 170+ about 4 minutes in and pulled the pin at 10 minutes (most tests I average 155-157 and max at 168 at end of 2nd 20'). I simply took it out too hard...

  • @Jeff and Lauren:

     


    Perform all admin procedures for your powermeter: offsets, calibrations, etc.
    After a good warmup, do 2 x 20' (2').

    o Course Selection:

    o Outdoors, flat, uninterrupted is best. Helps to have training partners to encourage/whip you.

    o Outdoors, on a hill is "ok," but try to do it your aerobars.

     

    o Pacing: build into it during the first 6'. Rate of Perceived Exertion (RPE) should level off from 6-~13'. At 12-14' you'll start looking at your timer. At 16', you are looking more frequently. 18-19' the clock goes backwards. Rest 2', repeat. If at 40' you feel as if you could have ridden for another minute, you didn't go hard enough. If you are in a nightmare at about 8' into the first interval, you went out too hard. Stop, rest, reset your head and either continue with the test or bag it for another day. Don't worry if you don't get it right the first time. It's common to see a large jump in FTP in the second test, as you're just able to pace it better and have a frame of reference for the numbers. As you train with power more you'll just "know" what you can and can't do and will have a number to shoot for.

     

    Download your ride file. Using WKO+, create a range for the 42' of the test (yes, work + rest. Consult the WKO+ help menus if you don't know how to create a range.) Your Normalized Power (Pnorm) for this 42' range is your FTP.

     

  • Thanks Shaughn! I figure this is the right place to post this question---Does anyone have an idea on what is a realistic goal for watt gains in the OS? I know everyone is going to be way different...but Im new to the power game and want to set some goals (as all good/insane triathletes do) image
  • My 2 cents on FTP gains in the OS.  It depends on the fitness level you have coming in.  For a first timer training with wattage there is more oppty.  5 - 10% I would say, could be more. Focus on w/kg improvement for that is really what makes you faster at the end of the day.....

    SS

  • I've been thinking about what it means to work on my limiters. I think the best way to get faster is to work on my limiters. My biggest limiter by far, I mean BY FAR, is weight and body comp. So, that is what I plan to work on the most. I'm getting my OS workouts done, doing the work. But with the opportunity to be down 30-40 pounds by end of OS, that is my focus. I call it free speed, especially on the run. So, right now, I'm more upset about a meal I didn't nail or a snack I missed than I would be about not hitting that last 800m repeat @ FTP.
  • Just to add to shaughn a little... From what I've seen in 4 years of the OS has been all over the place on how much a person gains in the OS. My first OS I went from 210 watts to 272 watts which was pretty awesome. But considering I never had come close to doing this type of WORK before shows there was a lot to gain. Now my 2nd year I went from 257 at the start to 289. So not as much but still good. The 3rd year though was 259 to 272, but later in year in my IM plan went up to 292 (my all time high).

    On the other hand I remember some ( I believe Linda patch) would hardly gain any watts in OS maybe 10 or so, then later in year she would see a big FTP gain of 20 or more.

    In other words don't get all hung up wondering how much you gain. Just keep doing the work and at some point (depends on you) you'll see gains from all the hard work
  • By the way,  I am not sure Trent is actually human after watching what he has done/achieved over 3 years.........amazing!

  • Great tips so far.
    I would add: If you don't have a foam roller (I like Trigger Point) get one and use it regularly. Also stretch regularly. I did not have a foam roller last year and got through most of the OS without an issue but then when the volume ramped up I almost immediatly had IT band issues. Foam Roller made a huge difference and got me through IMLP. I am now very good at stretching and using the roller as part of my body maint. plan. Get into the habit now during the OS to avoid issues later on. Your body will thank you.
    To add to the whole Overachieving discussion. Seems like a lot of folks hit a mental and physical wall at week 16 or so...just keep that in mind while your overachieving during week 5. just sayin.
    Good luck.
  • Second year in the OS, and second year at EN. I think patience is the key, especially early. I was not in the best shape at the start of the OS, so I improved relatively quickly, started overdoing both the bike and run intervals in weeks 3-8, and it caught up with me. Remember that the next test is only a few weeks away, so doing work based on your tested fitness for a couple of weeks even when it seems too easy won't hurt you in a long season.

    Also, to forestall the inevitable questions: no, you do not ever do 2 bike workouts or 2 run workouts in the same day. Even if you think that the plan calls for 2 bike workouts on a Monday, you should only do 1. There are bike/run days, but no bike/bike days or run/run days.
  • My $0.02: The world is not flat. Shocking, I know!

    But seriously, once you’ve learned what your training paces will be on the run consider the course you’re running on. If it’s not flat or darn close, plan to adjust accordingly. You might start with using HR as a reality check.  When you get home if you have WKO+ look at a metric called NGP (Normalized Graded Pace) to attempt to reconcile the two.

     

    And Happy getting FASTing!  
  • RECOVERY! Sleep and nutrition. Even though the sessions aren' t all that long, it is quite possible to burn through all of your body's glycogen stores in one good FTP or TP interval session. It is imperative to follow the rule of replacing that glycogen right away (within 2 hours) by eating sufficient carbs with a protein boost during that time. CHocolate milk, Jamba Juice smoothie, whatever works for you. just don't forget to eat after you work! Otherwise, you'll be bonking 15-20 minutes into the next day's effort and wonder what went wrong. Ditto on replacing the water you sweat off (remember the fan - it's just sucking that water right out of you), along with what you expire (all that heavy breathing.)

    This advice applies EVEN IF YOU ARE TRYING TO WORK ON BODY COMP. Once you replace that sugar you used up, then you can have a salad for dinner, with a lean piece of fish, to help manage your body comp,. But don't use the workout itself as a weight reduction tool.

    And sleep - your brain is driving the muscles, and if you don't give it time to recuperate at night, it won't to its job the next day. 6 hours a night won't cut it, day after day.

  • Posted By Jenn Edwards on 09 Nov 2011 12:28 PM

    My $0.02: The world is not flat. Shocking, I know!

    But seriously, once you’ve learned what your training paces will be on the run consider the course you’re running on. If it’s not flat or darn close, plan to adjust accordingly. You might start with using HR as a reality check.  When you get home if you have WKO+ look at a metric called NGP (Normalized Graded Pace) to attempt to reconcile the two.

     

    And Happy getting FASTing!  



    Thanks for that tip Jenn!  To be honest, I'm new to power (2 1/2 weeks and counting) and the WKO+ software and I haven't looked at my runs in the WKO+!

     

    Andi

  • Treat your rest days with as much authority and respect you treat your workout days. This was very hard for me to wrap my head around early on, but those rest days are on the schedule for a very specific reason so don't mess with them. If you missed a 30' run during the week, don't try to "make it up" instead of using your rest day to recover. You need to let your body absorb the work you are putting into it. This might not matter in the first several weeks, but the fatigue will accumulate and you'll eventually get sick or injured.
  • Last year was my first OS and first experience with power. I agree that constantly overachieving on the intervals will get to you eventually. In particular in the third section of the OS where there are a lot of really long FTP sets -- mentally I got cooked with all the 2x20's at the end...it is tough.



    All that said, for a beginner and/or someone new to power I do think that overachieving the intervals is acceptable, in particular at the beginning of the OS. I say this because

    (a) it is possible (heck, likely) that your first FTP test was not paced properly and your FTP is measured low

    (b) the rate of FTP gains is so rapid, and the magnitude so striking, that it is very likely that an IF of 1.03 is actually <1 only a few weeks after your first test <br />


    Obviously you need to be cautious about this. I'm the first to admit that overachieving on intervals probably was the biggest factor in my week 15-18 "crash and re-set". But I also went from FTP of 211 to 248 really quickly, and after week 3-5 there is no way that doing intervals at 215 was even close to 100% of FTP,



    When you get to the VO2 max block on the bike, realize that 2.5/2.5 is really hard. But it is worth it. I know this year it is "your choice" as to how you want to accumulate the"on" time. The in-season plans used 30/30 this year and I can say without a doubt that the 2.5/2.5 was way harder -- but I truly believe way more effective -- than the 30/30. I'm sure there is a middle-ground (maybe 1.5/1.5??), but I urge you not to take the easy way out on those workouts.



    Regarding running, I think the EN approach of frequent short runs is just great. I think those brick runs were really effective. For personal scheduling efficiency I'll probably do more bricks than "run_second" this year. I think a lot of people tend to bag the brick runs after a hard bike, but I think they're critically important.



    On the flip side, don't overdo it on running. Last year when I got really busy with travel and had to miss some bike workouts I tried to "replace" the biking with running. It was a poorly-executed idea that led to injury. My weekly mileage / running time went way up too quickly. You'll notice that the OS gradually builds the run volume at the end to prepare you for transition into the in-season IM and HIM plans...that is one of the really well-designed aspects of the OS. I wouldn't recommend dialing up run volume faster or more than the OS plans have specified.

  • Get your mental 6 pack in order! Motivation is key. Stock the pain cave with a good sound system, tv, or whatever works. Get a good fan. Find fast friends to push you inside or out.

    Don't be afraid to take a day off. The plan may call for 2x20's on Xmas and Thanksgiving. Blow them off and spend time with the family. Even if you take a week off, don't give up. Just get back on the plan and get through the season. It will pay off.

    Gains come when you don't expect it so don't get discouraged.

    If your legs are not feeling a little buzzed 24/7 after week two of the out season you're probably not pushing hard enough image

    The most important thing is to try and make the intervals. Total time, average HR or power over the ride mean nothing. Making the 3x8 intervals on the bike trumps a 2 hr Z2 ride everyday.

    If I don't make the intervals a couple of times in a row, I drop watts by 10-20% to get my mojo back. Makes a big difference.

    You can almost kill yourself on the bike but be careful running. Much higher risk of injury.

    Have fun.

    Hold yourself accountable by posting to EN.

    Have fun image
  • Use the groups! Post when you have a good session, post when you have a bad session, post when your legs are sore, post when you hit that wall, post, post, post. It is surprising how helpful it is to post whether it's good, bad, or ugly for the support and motivation that you'll receive. This was one of the biggest changes I made between OS #1 and OS #2 and by the end I wished I had done it right away instead of waiting a whole OS. Plus, people will remember other good advice or tidbits to share too when you mention X that they dealt with a few years back.
  • this may only be a rec for those of us that are "older", but I find that I do much better on both bike and run intervals when I do a thorough job of warming up. Last year, I didn't really do that through the OS, but changed it this year and have found it easier to hit and then stay on pace.

  • On to Fatigue

    Stand down when you get fatigued – before it is too late.

    Others have spoken of over-achieving, fueling, nutrition and sleep. The OS will get you if you don’t pay attention and address the specifics identified by others.

    This is my second year in the Haus and second OS. I came in from a running background and mostly old-school training – ie Volume, volume, volume, oh yeah add some speed/hills in after you get enough volume going. The classic case of managing fatigue on the verge of over training.

    Chronic fatigue, like the kind you get from lots of volume, especially running combined with anything else is easy to identify. It’s like a freight train. You see it coming for a long time and you can keep on doing stuff. Eventually you take the hint and get off the tracks as the train gets closer. That’s why rest weeks are so important in periodized training that everyone else is doing.

    Fatigue resulting from low volume, high intensity work (every workout in the OS) is sneaky. You don’t see it coming till it is on top of you. Sticking with the train analogy – it is a ‘bullet’ train coming at you at 200 mph. By the time you see the train, you need to move or else you get run over.

    The result? Energy? … In the toilet. Mojo? … In the toilet. FTP and vDot? … Begin to drift down. If, or when you get here, skipping 1 or 2 workouts isn’t going to be enough. A week off might not be enough either.

    I was one of those who just had to add more running in. Turkey Challenge, Holiday Challenge, Boston Hack, etc Then following the VO2 Max sessions, I suddenly realized I was so fatigued that a week of back country ski camping (which I love) did little to recharge my batteries. It took me several weeks after that of missing or doing half-ass efforts before I got back to normal. But truth be told, with Boston looming I did keep the running miles going……

    If I had only listened and backed off sooner (like Christmas) I wouldn’t have missed out on 4+ weeks quality training. Crappy, fatigue ridden sessions are no where near as productive or useful as a well nourished and rested session.

    Stand down, eat, hydrate and rest if you get fatigued to save you from yourself. You’ll be glad you did.
  • This will be my second OS and need to really focus on some core strengthening. So when/how do the vets recommend adding this to the OS?
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