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Putting a hurt on my FAT A$$

So team here is where I am. Over the last 3 seasons of triathlon I have managed to gain 10-15 pounds every year. Yes that is right so I have gone from 235 lbs to 275 lbs at the end of this season and in the 3 weeks since my last race I have add another 10. I’m sad to say that my current weight is 284 lbs with BF% over 33. Looking at my plans for 2012 I need to drop 50+ pounds. I just had a consultation with Dr. Penny and looks like I have been under feeding on the weekends with too high of a carb intake so I am working on that. I am also looking at the OS which I start in January as a time to drop weight to get faster. Just wanting to get this out there so that I have another level of accountability and I will also give weekly updated on the progress of my body comp battle for added motivition. Thanks for the kick in the pants. 

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  • Dewey, I'm curious, how old are you? I ask from a metabolism point of view. Ten years ago, before I started all this endurance stuff, I could eat 1000 calories a day more than I can now. Even with all the hours of training, I still need to eat way less than I used to or my weight will go up. For me it started in my early mid 40's. Glad to see you are ready to make some changes.
  • Dewey, all I can say is that you have the tools needed so make sure you use them. Over the years, you've developed the knowledge of how to get to (and stay at) a healthier weight, now you have to patiently practice and apply the footwork involved. The silver lining is that you have the knowledge of what it takes to get back, many do not. It won't be easy. Just stay focused on the long term goal. Be consistent as hell. Be patient. You are your only project that you need to care about. Don't look at the others around you and what they are doing or looking like. It's like turning a ship, can't spin it 180 on a dime. And once you get it headed in the right direction, stay steady.

    Good luck with it, we're pulling for ya!
  • @ Steve Just turned 44 YO and my metabolism has always been slow and I''ve always been "heavy". In fact haven't been under 200 lbs since I was 19. Thanks for the input.

    @ Chris thanks for the pep talk and perspective. This ship will turn. I will get leaner and faster.
  • Look on the bright side at least your not in the sub 200 watt clubimage
  • Dewey,

    Good for talking with Penny and getting a plan in place. Honestly getting the weight down is the best thing that you can do for your training and health. I've set that as one of my goals, which is taking priority over FTP and VDot goals this OS. Yes I have FTP and VDOT goals but made them secondary.

    I've given this lots of though as the overweight guy doing the Wednesday weigh in. Here a couple examples to keep you focused on weight loss in the OS:

    1) From a quick search losing 10lbs can translate in to approximately 20 seconds/mile or 1 minute over a VDot test. I'm not sure if there is a linear effect here but assuming one to a certain point. So losing 50 lbs this equates to 5 minutes off you VDOT or taking you from a 30 to a 38 vdot, plus any physical improvement on top of that. That's an 8 point increase in VDOT just for losing weight, call it 6 to be conservative and you still see huge improvement. A 36 vdot is 26:22 for 5K.

    2) Your current FTP is 225 with a w/kg = ~1.74 again 10 lbs puts you at 1.8 w/kg and the 50lbs @ 2.11. To go from 1.74 to 2.11w/kg while remaining at your 284lbs your FTP would have to rise to 272 or a 20% increase in the OS.    Now a 20% increase in doable think of the effects if you lose the weight and get even 10% increase in fitness.

    The challenges that I have found are as follows and these may not be the same for you:

    - losing weight in the OS is for me is easier, not easy by any means. If you come up too short on calories the workouts suffer. I have found 500-750 calories/day and I am fine many days but not always. When I venture in to the 750-1000 calories/day (1.5/2 lb) loss in a week) I can get through a week maybe then workouts typically suffer. Basically you are short calories so some workouts are going to suck. Remember the 95% and watch the run time.  Stick to the main sets and I will cut out the z1/z2 running when really tired.

    - I have a harder time losing weight when doing longer stuff in the IM plans. I just tend to eat more to the point of getting enough calories.

    I won't get in to the specific tracking and nutrition challenges as Penny will do a much better job than I ever could.

    Good luck

    Gordon

     

     

  • Good on ya for posting the data and sharing w/ the Haus so we can help keep you accountable! We are all behind you! Good points made GW!

  • Good luck Dewey! Very impressive that you are identifying something you are unhappy with and taking concrete steps to fix it. Get after it!
  • It took me 18 months to lose 65lbs, so in my experience I'd say dropping 50lb in 2012 is possible but very aggressive. I think you should focus on diet vs. crushing the workouts. Do the workouts of course, but personally I'd prioritize diet. That means massively reducing calorie intake, and NOT using the workouts as a way to rationalize eating more calories. In this respect I probably differ from Gordon's advice above. The key is eating fewer calories on a sustainable, ongoing basis, not starving and binging, which is the hardest thing to avoid. I would also practice nutrient timing. If you are targeting 50lb I would not focus on particular races but rather regular workouts and calorie intake. That's pretty much how I got the first 55 of my 65lbs. YMMV ntaurally. Best of luck and let us know how we can support you. Cheers, Matt.
  • Good luck Dewey. I've posted it elsewhere, but body comp as well as nutrition is a huge focus for me this year after some really sobering numbers at my health assessment last May where I was well on my way to developing hypertension, diabetes, severe hyperlipidemia, and was overweight (BF24.4%). I'm down 13 pounds over 6-months (BF16.6%) and my BP has normalized back to the healthy range. F/U blood tests for cholesterol are this week. Hard to know exactly what the key to success for me has been this time. I've tried to dump this weight now for more than 10-years and finally it seems to be coming off. I'm sure Penny will give great advice. For me, I've been using Lose It religiously and find it really helps. As I've gotten more experienced with it, I find I am pretty much right on with calories vs exercise. I'm maintaining about a 500-700 Kcal/day deficit, mostly through exercise, i.e. I eat 2200-2500 Kcal/day so I'm not really scrimping at all, but am generating my calorie deficits by adding exercise and not increasing intake to compensate. I, personally, did not find the Core Diet program helpful at all (gained weight on it) so I think working with Penny makes more sense. Similarly, I don't get much mileage out of nutrient timing. I just sort of spread the calories out through the day and it works for me (3-meals and 2 light snacks), rather than trying to time exactly when a workout is going to be. I do like to do frequent, light workouts that don't take too much out of me, but that add to the calorie burn over time. The 30-runs in 30-days has been excellent for this as has the swim challenge. An easy zone 1 30-minute run or 30-minute form work in the pool doesn't beat me up, but generates about a 300Kcal deficit alone. In the end, you will find what works for you and what doesn't. Be patient and persistent. Can't wait to hear how you do!
  • I started doing tris after losing seventy-five pounds so I could show myself what I could do. Since then my story has been the same as yours gaining a little each season. The question to ask is why are we gaining weight working out the way we do five to six days per week. The simple answer is that calories burned has to be greater than your calorie intake. The problem most people have is that they grossly over estimate how many calories they burn and under estimate how many that they eat. Its easy to say that I can eat this burger with all the toppings because I just burned more calories running five miles today.

    The first thing we need to do fix this problem is to start a food journal. Log everything that you eat (everything that crosses your lips; gels, power drinks, Infinit, etc) You will be suprised as to how much you really eat.
    The second thing we need to do is to calculate how many calories that we are burning. This can be done several ways:
    1) heart rate - not a fan of this as personally it over estimates my burn
    2) estimation - works but it can take several weeks or even months to get it dialed in
    3) use bmr to calculate burn. Again it works, but can take several weeks to get dialed in.
    4) use a caloire counting device such as a Body Bugg
    Find a method that works for you. I have learned that my body only burns about 2000 calories per day without any working out. It is no wonder I gain weight so quickly

    You want to have a 500 calorie defict to lose one pound per week. Don't try to lose more than two pounds per week (unless you are under a doctor's care) as this could cause health issues.

    I admit it. I have not been vigilant about my logging since I caught the triathlon bug but I started back this week when I started the off season plan making sure they go hand in hand.

    I friend of mine who I train with says that you cannot lose weight and do triathlons. I plan on proving him wrong this year.

    You can do it. Just put the same dedication into your diet that you put into your triathlon habit.

  • Gordon: Thanks for running the numbers. I was looking at them myself. Have to say my jaw dropped at the impact of the extra weight on my VDOT and W/kg. Also thanks for sharing you experience. Also thanks for leading the body comp charge in the haus. See ya at IMLP, make that a much more svelt you.

    Matt Again thanks for sharing your experience and congrats on the awesome weight loss. I agree that weight is the priority this season for me.

    Kevin Glad to here you health numbers at improving and that is an awesome drop in BF. I was looking to get in 30 runs in 30 days but I strained/torn my popletial tendon in my last race (Nov 13) and am still recovering. Looking to get back on the bike next week. I am currently on the 3 meal 2-3 snack plan. A few hundred cal in at a time seems to satisfy me and keeps my total calorie count down.

    Blake I think your right on with the over eating. For me I would under eat on the weekends and run up too high of a calorie deficit then by Tuesday/ Wednesday I was ravenous and eating everything in sight and my body was storing all that was going in. I would get home from work and start nibbling on this and that. Did not even realize it until my initial interview with Penny. So like Matt said I was starving and binging. As for your friend if 1 proves him wrong its an outlier. If 2 of us prove him wrong it a trend. Lets start a trend. BTW in getting down from > 360 to 235 I logged every thing that went in my mouth for 2 years. And you are right I started slacking on that and the weight started to come back up so I am back to logging everything again.

    Jeff and Roy thanks for the vote of confidence.

    I hope that all of you can reach and/or maintain your body comp goals and I'll be looking for a virtual kick in the nutz from each and every one of you if needed in the future.
  • @ Matt - That's solid advice and I did not intend or mean to imply that one should look at those numbers for weight loss. This is just what I have done incorrectly in the past limiting calories too much and it really hurt the workouts.  It also lead to binging as you pointed out.  As with anything the consistency of limiting calories is where it's at. 

    Gordon

  • What are your racing goals for next season? As several have mentioned, it can be really hard when training for IM (and for me even HIM) while trying to lose a significant amount of weight. Maybe a year focusing on more short to mid-course stuff which would allow you to work that calorie deficit better. Additionally, I found that for me, I can bike til I puke for hours and hours and it's not really going to make a dent in my weight loss goals. But, doing a long run + several medium runs during a week really makes a difference. YMMV. Good luck! And definitely keep us posted image
  • Posted By Jennifer Burbatt on 07 Dec 2011 12:00 PM

    Additionally, I found that for me, I can bike til I puke for hours and hours and it's not really going to make a dent in my weight loss goals. But, doing a long run + several medium runs during a week really makes a difference.

    Couldn't agree more. For weight loss, I believe running is by far the most effective workout.

  • looks like I need to get back to recording, weighing etc., because I did a 10 week focus of running where i logged anywhere from 60-70kms a week and no weight came off this body. I went from running 3x a week to 6x a week.
  • @B I have to watch what I eat when I'm marathon training but not so much when I'm also biking a lot. Just can't consume too many calories after my longer rides. Getting to the age where I can no longer eat as I desire and still stay at race weight.

  • @Jennfier. I agree w/ you totally. I can't lose weight during IM training so I really focus on getting within a lb or two of race weight during OS. Really I can't lose much significant weight during ANY training period and at same time expect to gain fitness at same rate as if I fueled to 100% of my needs rather than even a small caloric deficit.

  • I know there's a thread or two on it here, but I'll say again that I'd really recommend using an application like LoseIt! (iPhone and Android compatible) to watch your food intake. I've been doing it for over a year, and dropped from 190 lbs (Race weight at 2010 IMLP) to 167 lbs (race weight at 2011 Boulder 70.3). Most of that weight came off in the first 5 months. I'm currently sitting at 174. I was amazed at how many calories are in some foods that really do nothing to fill you up. When you watch what and how much you eat, it becomes very easy to pick things that fill you up and don't add too much to the waistline.
  • @JB - at least I did not put weight on. Did not think I was eating more an usual, but who knows.
  • Did your body fat % change or do you track that? Marathon training is only 6-8 hours a week of training, IM is 15++ so sure is easier to burn calories on the bike for me.

  • I do not train for IM's, just HIM's.
  • Posted By Steve Perkins on 07 Dec 2011 01:49 PM

    I know there's a thread or two on it here, but I'll say again that I'd really recommend using an application like LoseIt! (iPhone and Android compatible) to watch your food intake. I've been doing it for over a year, and dropped from 190 lbs (Race weight at 2010 IMLP) to 167 lbs (race weight at 2011 Boulder 70.3). Most of that weight came off in the first 5 months. I'm currently sitting at 174. I was amazed at how many calories are in some foods that really do nothing to fill you up. When you watch what and how much you eat, it becomes very easy to pick things that fill you up and don't add too much to the waistline.

     

    ^^this^^

    Logging your diet and exercise on LoseIt! or similar absolutely works.

  • Posted By Steve Ross on 07 Dec 2011 04:45 PM

    I do not train for IM's, just HIM's.





     

    You might better start or your sausage roll belly will worsen! LOL!!!!

  • Jennifer, I have already registered for IMLP so I will be completing that event in July 2012 unlikely to drop out at this point. I would aslo agree that runnning is a better way to drop weight for me asd well. Thanks for the suggestion and maybe I will look to only do SC racing for a little while after IMLP to drop more weight.

  • Folks, Thanks for all the responses, advise, and support.



    Weighed-in today at 274.7 lbs. That's a drop of 9.3 lbs from last week!!. I know is likely a false big drop due to water weight and other issues but my cloths fit a little looser today. Diet went well all week with only one kinda bad day. Targeting 2500-2700 cal/day. Still letting a popletius strain/tear heal so not work-outs. Seeing Doc on Friday to hopefully get OK to get back to training.

  • Dewey, thanks for sharing this with the Team so we could all both benefit and help to motivate you. I think that your best bet is to stay focused. As in:

    * Phase 1: Get a consistently achieveable exercise routine in place. Regardless of whether that's OS or just something.
    * Phase 2: Line up the nutrition to match that. I suggest having exactly what you need to eat mapped out for seven days. You can eat the same stuff every Tuesday for a long time before going crazy.
    * Phase 3: After making improvements, move to adding some intensity / work to your program and tweak the diet.
    * Phase 4: Repeat.
  • Coach P thanks for the advise. Working on setting up a sustainable weekly diet now. Exercise is a little in flux as I have some issues with knee, likely a Meniscus so waiting for MRI.

    Tried to weight in today but scale was acting up. Got 5 different weights with a 7 lb range low was stable weight with high of 7 extra pounds. Not sure what to make of this other than I either need a new scale or new batteries. will change the battery today and re-weight tomorrow. If still acting funny will have to ask Santa ( AKA my wife) for a new scale. Calorie intake for the week was steady with 500-600 deficit per day.Not really felling tired but also not having a lot of activity.
  • I would put in a recommendation for a kitchen scale along with religious use of Lose It. As I've started to measure things more frequently, I learned how "off" my assessments of serving size were compared to the actual serving size. Particularly with things like bread, I was often underestimating my calorie intake 2-fold. I also use a lot of liquid measures too. Now that I've got a better handle on things, I think I can nail my caloric intake a lot more accurately on Lose It. I've also sort of gotten used to be always being a little bit hungry now (but not too hungry if that makes sense). Nailing that internal sense and learning to love it on some level has been really helpful too.

    @Dewey, if you get a new bathroom scale, I highly recommend the Withings scale. It works by WiFi to automatically upload your weight and %BF to an online account (as well as other online partners including both Training Peaks and Lose It). Has worked flawlessly for me and its even cheaper than the Tanita BF scale.
  • On the calorie loss of running vs cycling, I think that Lose It overestimates the calorie burn of cycling compared to calorie burn estimates I get through my Power Meter. I accomodate that by using a lower intensity for cycling (the 14MPH level) than I am actually riding at (19-20MPH) when I log the exercise time on Lose It.
  • A kitchen scale is eye-opening. Really amazing. I use one all the time. I have a Tanita digital one. I can't remember the cost but it wasn't more than $40.
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