Still waiting on TR. Lotsa bugs, I guess. Ended up being a bigger project than they anticipated. :-( Guess that happens with there are only two guys and trying to scale up as faster as they are.
Still waiting on TR. Lotsa bugs, I guess. Ended up being a bigger project than they anticipated. :-( Guess that happens with there are only two guys and trying to scale up as faster as they are.
More soon.
No problem - I'll just log on under your TR account and pull up the workouts from there
I cross-posted this in another thread but was wondering if others have noticed this:
I use TR with a computrainer. Last night, I noticed that the speed (avg MPH) that TR recorded was significantly lower than my CT average for the same wattage. I haven't been looking at the speed when I download the workouts, and I just happened to glance at it last night. My typical (non TR) speed on the CT for my FTP is around 22 MPH. The speed that was downloaded off of TR was 18.6 MPH. Anyone else notice this? Do I need to look at the settings on TR or my CT? And I know from riding outdoors that the CT reading is pretty close to my PM.
Still waiting on TR. Lotsa bugs, I guess. Ended up being a bigger project than they anticipated. :-( Guess that happens with there are only two guys and trying to scale up as faster as they are.
Just got this update from the TR guys 5 minutes ago
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Okay, I have some good news for you.
First, we've still had that nasty bug where TR might crash. So instead of having your users use the beta of TR, we're going to have them use the current production version.
We've figured out a way to get the EN workouts into that version for only EN members. So that's no longer a blocking issue.
I've completed the Admin panel for EN. I've attached a screen shot.
In that screen shot, once you change someone's status, it sends them an e-mail informing them.
Users will also be able to hit the endurance nation group and request access.
So the last thing I have to do before I push this to our production site is restrict our ride feeds to not pull in endurance nation rides unless you're an endurance nation member. That way they are hidden from everyone else.
That won't take long to do. Unfortunately I'm about to leave for the California International Marathon. My race is tomorrow morning. They are prediction heavy rain and 30 mph winds....yuck.
So unless I get assed out from this race, I should be able to finish this and get it out into production late Monday or early Tuesday. I'll shoot for late Monday with a Tuesday release to your members.
When we start, the group features will be minimal, but I plan on pimping out the EN page as we go alone. The first thing to do would be to show the OS plan on that page. The next thing to do would be to show EN rides that day and past rides. Maybe a little leader board of members. Stuff like that. We'll also improve the admin page as we go along. Right now, you can only edit someone's access if they request it. I'll add the ability for you to add users yourself.
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We are close. Will let you know the moment we go live.
On another note. Has anybody using a garmin to track TR workouts noticed a difference between the TR final IF and TSS of the workout compared to garmin? I hope I just need to change some information in either my garmin or TR account to have everything look together. Hopefully an easy fix as it is most likely user error.
Working with Trainer Road, I have found that the interval duration sometimes has not matched up with what I have programmed into Workout Creator. So, for example, even though I have 2 x 15 with 4' recovery in after the warm up, the timing starts at 40:00 and counts down, rather than 15:00. What I found out is that one of the current issues with Workout Creator is that it currently does not recognize any FTP > 54% as a change of intervals. Since my RI has been set at 60%, it is not recognized as a different interval. Supposedly, if you drop the the FTP to < 55% for even a short duration, it recognizes the change in interval. What I did was to uncheck the constrain FTP box, and put in 54% as my starting FTP and 60% for my ending FTP for the recovery. I haven't tried this yet, but I'm guessing that it should solve the problem.
it currently does not recognize any FTP > 54% as a change of intervals. Since my RI has been set at 60%, it is not recognized as a different interval. Supposedly, if you drop the the FTP to < 55% for even a short duration, it recognizes the change in interval. What I did was to uncheck the constrain FTP box, and put in 54% as my starting FTP and 60% for my ending FTP for the recovery. I haven't tried this yet, but I'm guessing that it should solve the problem.
I tried that with today's 45s VO2 intervals and it works! Previously it would not recognize the 65% rest intervals so it wouldnt beep and aggregated the whole 45s/on/off series as one threshold interval. I unchecked the constrain FTP box and set it to 54% at the beginning of the rest, 65% at the end and it worked like a charm. Thanks!
OTOH, I like having each set of 4-6 VO2 intervals with recoveries record as one interval. I discovered a few yrs ago that th IF of the work+recovery sets is 1.0 when I'm doing it right.
Just got an email from TR - final testing is this week before we go into production. I need 4 volunteers to help with the registration process to make sure I have it documented before we release to the team.
Please email me directly if you want to help. Addy in sig line.
When putting my workouts into TR how do I get my power levels inputted properly? When I create the workouts I move the intervals to the power level number on the graph, but when I start the workout the power number goals are so much higher? What am I missing?
Reid found some bugs, I fixed them and deploying another staging release as we speak.
The only last bug is to make sure that the workouts pull down for the beta trainer road version. If they do, I'll hand the reins over to you.
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I have several of you volunteer to help with the testing before we hand off to the team. THANK YOU! I will ping all of you when the hand the reins to me so we can get this going.
I don't know if this has been addressed anywhere but I noticed today that TR does the same calculation that RnP's workout program does regarding your VO2max. My recorded VO2max is 320w but TR and RnP have me listed as 306w (FTP x 1.2) and that's what shows up in my workout plan.
As a QA professional I could get into the quibbling about whether this is a bug or enhancement but it would be nice to give the user the option to specify their own VO2max in their profile. Right now, my power zones in TR are all determined automatically but I know my situation is different. TR thinks I've been doing anaerobic work when I haven't because of this 306w instead of 320w situation.
@ John Stark & his team of TR volunteers... thank you for doing this work. I just started using the software with my CompuTrainer and am really looking forward to benefitting from the work you all have done. This is a great team!
I will be sending an email this morning to those who volunteered to start the testing of the registration process. Will *try* to get this opened to everyone this week. Cross your fingers.
I've already sent a message to the TR folks about the bugs and enhancement requests I have but I wanted to let you and the other TR users who will be doing the EN VO2max workouts. As far as I can tell, none of the EN-specific workouts have the correct target wattage for the VO2max intervals. All the thin blue bars in those clusters of 4 or 5 (as in 3 x (5 x 1/1) VO2max efforts top out at my FTP power level instead of the estimated VO2max target of 1.2 x FTP. We can still do the workouts but the target bars are wrong.
I've already sent a message to the TR folks about the bugs and enhancement requests I have but I wanted to let you and the other TR users who will be doing the EN VO2max workouts. As far as I can tell, none of the EN-specific workouts have the correct target wattage for the VO2max intervals. All the thin blue bars in those clusters of 4 or 5 (as in 3 x (5 x 1/1) VO2max efforts top out at my FTP power level instead of the estimated VO2max target of 1.2 x FTP. We can still do the workouts but the target bars are wrong.
I mentioned this previously (might have been in this thread?): when I was reviewing the workouts initially, I noticed this, and corrected a lot of them to 1.2*FTP. But then I realized that there were too many corrections for me to have been the only one to catch the 'mistakes'. So I came to the conclusion that it was intentional - the intervals are just markers for when to start and when to stop. Some people may be using 1.2*FTP, others may be using their 5 min VO2max - so in the end, the TR OS workouts are not intended to be balls-on-accurate because everyone is using different numbers - but rather just to help signify the beginning and end of the intervals.
Okay. I understand that it is quite a pain to do the custom workouts but I thought the workout designer had an function that automatically produces bars for 1.2 x FTP level efforts that works like the function that produces the FTP bars. Maybe I can work on correcting them to finish up. Outside of the EN collection, the workouts don't have this flaw.
And besides, you know how those JOSers can be... Wouldn't want them to have something else to squawk about. ;-)
Yep, I set all the WO at 100% of FT and didn't adjust the 120% intervals (i.e. 30/30's). My bad. We are working making those fixes on those specific workouts.
Other than that and a couple of quick changes we are almost ready to go.
TR OS should be live for the whole team in a day or two. Will send a note to the team with all details when it is.
I could certainly see the value of going with those intervals @ 120% FTP instead of just using them as markers (as it appears my conclusion was wrong!).
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@Dino, it is rad that you said Rad!
Still waiting on TR. Lotsa bugs, I guess. Ended up being a bigger project than they anticipated. :-( Guess that happens with there are only two guys and trying to scale up as faster as they are.
More soon.
No problem - I'll just log on under your TR account and pull up the workouts from there
I use TR with a computrainer. Last night, I noticed that the speed (avg MPH) that TR recorded was significantly lower than my CT average for the same wattage. I haven't been looking at the speed when I download the workouts, and I just happened to glance at it last night. My typical (non TR) speed on the CT for my FTP is around 22 MPH. The speed that was downloaded off of TR was 18.6 MPH. Anyone else notice this? Do I need to look at the settings on TR or my CT? And I know from riding outdoors that the CT reading is pretty close to my PM.
Any EN OG will completely relate to that point
That was good, Nemo! :-)
Still waiting on TR, folks. Ball is in their court.
John
Just got this update from the TR guys 5 minutes ago
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
In that screen shot, once you change someone's status, it sends them an e-mail informing them.
Users will also be able to hit the endurance nation group and request access.
On another note. Has anybody using a garmin to track TR workouts noticed a difference between the TR final IF and TSS of the workout compared to garmin? I hope I just need to change some information in either my garmin or TR account to have everything look together. Hopefully an easy fix as it is most likely user error.
I tried that with today's 45s VO2 intervals and it works! Previously it would not recognize the 65% rest intervals so it wouldnt beep and aggregated the whole 45s/on/off series as one threshold interval. I unchecked the constrain FTP box and set it to 54% at the beginning of the rest, 65% at the end and it worked like a charm. Thanks!
OTOH, I like having each set of 4-6 VO2 intervals with recoveries record as one interval. I discovered a few yrs ago that th IF of the work+recovery sets is 1.0 when I'm doing it right.
Just got an email from TR - final testing is this week before we go into production. I need 4 volunteers to help with the registration process to make sure I have it documented before we release to the team.
Please email me directly if you want to help. Addy in sig line.
John
Hi Folks - The latest from TR:
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Reid found some bugs, I fixed them and deploying another staging release as we speak.
As a QA professional I could get into the quibbling about whether this is a bug or enhancement but it would be nice to give the user the option to specify their own VO2max in their profile. Right now, my power zones in TR are all determined automatically but I know my situation is different. TR thinks I've been doing anaerobic work when I haven't because of this 306w instead of 320w situation.
@ John Stark & his team of TR volunteers... thank you for doing this work. I just started using the software with my CompuTrainer and am really looking forward to benefitting from the work you all have done. This is a great team!
@Rob: Happy to help!
I will be sending an email this morning to those who volunteered to start the testing of the registration process. Will *try* to get this opened to everyone this week. Cross your fingers.
John
I've already sent a message to the TR folks about the bugs and enhancement requests I have but I wanted to let you and the other TR users who will be doing the EN VO2max workouts. As far as I can tell, none of the EN-specific workouts have the correct target wattage for the VO2max intervals. All the thin blue bars in those clusters of 4 or 5 (as in 3 x (5 x 1/1) VO2max efforts top out at my FTP power level instead of the estimated VO2max target of 1.2 x FTP. We can still do the workouts but the target bars are wrong.
I mentioned this previously (might have been in this thread?): when I was reviewing the workouts initially, I noticed this, and corrected a lot of them to 1.2*FTP. But then I realized that there were too many corrections for me to have been the only one to catch the 'mistakes'. So I came to the conclusion that it was intentional - the intervals are just markers for when to start and when to stop. Some people may be using 1.2*FTP, others may be using their 5 min VO2max - so in the end, the TR OS workouts are not intended to be balls-on-accurate because everyone is using different numbers - but rather just to help signify the beginning and end of the intervals.
And besides, you know how those JOSers can be... Wouldn't want them to have something else to squawk about. ;-)
Yep, I set all the WO at 100% of FT and didn't adjust the 120% intervals (i.e. 30/30's). My bad. We are working making those fixes on those specific workouts.
Other than that and a couple of quick changes we are almost ready to go.
TR OS should be live for the whole team in a day or two. Will send a note to the team with all details when it is.
John
Good point about the JOS'rs
ha!
With that in mind, I think we found the JOSer's inspiration in Bob and Doug MacKenzie -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UKmuXw3lS10