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Detailed Nutrition for Coach P's IMTX...an N=1 story...

I have gotten a lot of pushback/questions on my nutrition plan for Ironman Texas. I totally recognize that my experience is n=1, but since it worked I wanted to document what I did so that others could see if it's worth it for them. 

The Background

I started focusing on body comp in December, counting calories to lose weight and that got me to low 180s. My workouts began to suffer so I turned to the Core Diet plan to help me with some better nutrition guidance (the subscription model). I used the recipes / info / forum support there to create a better plan for the food I was eating and lost a few more pounds and was eating way _better_ overall -- not just making deficits. 

About 8 weeks pre race my weight plateaued at 178 and I couldn't lose any more. In fact, with volume training, the weight was going back up. So I went back to the Core Diet folks and signed up for their meal planning service using the EN discount. I got 7 daily plans based on the workout schedule I submitted, so I knew what to eat and when to eat it. Every day. I didn't lose much weight here but my workouts really got better.

The big delta here with this level was how much they had me eating when working out vs when not training. My old way was regular food during the day and then workout to create a calorie deficit to lose weight…but I would bonk or have fierce food cravings later in the day. On the CD plan, I was eating every 30' on the bike (a gel or 1/2 a power bar) and drinking lots….I was literally eating 2-3x more than a usual ride….but the food the rest of the day was very minimal and strategic. My long workouts and bigger days were much improved b/c I was way better fueled, but I spent a lot of money on workout food!

About two weeks out I requested my Race Fuel plan, as per the Meal Planning service. I got a plan for the final 3 days pre race for eating and then guidance for the day and the race. I almost puked listening to it all, but it worked. 

One of the reasons I requested it is that I struggled drinking my concentrated infinIT later on race day on the bike, and I think simply drinking other water to dilute it wasn't as effective as I wanted…this led to further stomach distress on the run where I wasn't able to eat what I wanted b/c of the traffic jam I created on the bike. It was clear with a hot race like IMTX coming I needed a change.

Pre-Race

I ate regularly through Thursday lunch for a Saturday race. Then it was time for focus on carbs. A subway lunch sandwich and some pretzels at lunch, a carb focused dinner. Friday AM was a big breakfast with pancakes, waffles, oj, toast, eggs, etc. No fiber. An hour after breakfast was a big muffin. Then a subway lunch again with pretzels to snack on all day. I preloaded the carbs in the AM, so by afternoon I was on race food, with a  powerbar snack and sports drink and a small bowl of pasta / chicken at 6pm, then I was done. 

I wanted to explode I was so full of carbs and water, it was crazy!! I have also never pooped so much before a race. Sorry!

Race morning was 3:30am breakfast of 4.5 cups applesauce, banana, 1 scoop protein and 20oz sports drink. Powerbar at 6 am. Gel at 15' to go. 

The Bike

After I started the bike, my plan was simple. I was to eat every 30 minutes, as either a caffeinated gel (27g CHO) or 1/2 a powerbar (22.5g CHO). I was also to drink 3 bottles of perform an hour given my size and sweat test rate. So that meant 3 x 42g of CHO for Perform in a bottle. So I was taking in about 176g CHO per hour for the first two hours, then I dropped it down to just two bottles of perform.

There was no water, as the CD team was clear that water didn't do much for me in terms of fueling or sodium, and that the mix in my stomach wasn't carb heavy and I could digest it. I did struggle early on to keep the food in, as I was burping it out, but I was told this was normal given my workload and that I should continue drinking/eating as it will settle down…and it did.

The caffeinated gels continued all day and build up the caffeine in my system slowly (instead of the jolt of a pill) so that I could peak on the run and not have a drop in my HR that was consistent with a fade or bonk. 

Note that a cold / regular IM (could be LP) is 2 bottles per hour (84g) PLUS a powerbar split in two 30' increments or two gels. So you need to up that fluid intake when it's hotter.

All in I ate 2 powerbars, 7 gels and had 12 bottles of Perform for a total of 783g of CHO for the bike, or approximately 3350 cals on the bike (vs EN prescribed 1250 for a 5 hour ride).

The Run

I was told to eat as much as I could in the first half of the run as it would be harder over the course of the day. I had a banana in T2 and two caff gels before Mile 5. Then I started clif bloks every 2 miles until I had another gel at mile 13, then another gel at mile 18. That puts the food at 157g of CHO. I also drank a cup of Perform (4oz) at every aid station, chewed some Ice and added some coke at the end, putting me at about 250g of CGO for the fluids, or 407g for the whole run…about 2000 calories ( vs my usual 1,000 ). 

Adding It All Up

To be clear, I took in 250% of EN's recommended calories and had my best race ever -- no bonking, no fade, no cramping, etc.  For those of you doing the math at home, that's 1190g of CHO across 9.5 hours or approximately 125g of CHO per hour. 

Post race I felt awesome. I was still hungry, but I was never in danger of dehydrating or bonking, so I was only a bit sore. 

I am clearly converted…I think that fueling your workouts like a race and fueling your workouts as the volume goes up but maintaining the other regular food is good. The pre-race fueling plan was better for me starting 2 days out instead of just lunch the day before. And I ran a 3:15 in 90-degree heat while eating and not bonking a real problem before. 

While this is all N=1, if you are on the bubble or looking for a breakthrough, you might want to consider upgrading / skipping to the full Core Diet service for more personalized guidance and support on what to do on race day. If you are happy with our 250 cals/hour guidance, then go for it…I knew I needed something more and this is what worked for me. 

Let me know what you think!

 

 

 

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  • I'm really tempted to ditch Infinit because I too struggle with the proper mix of concentrated Infinit and how much water I need to chase it down. Infinit is a great product but I think I was also drinking too much water and diluting it.

    I'm thinking about just going with Perform on the bike. I have the Syracuse 70.3 in three weeks. Four bottles of Perform would give me 700 cals and 2000mg of electrolytes. My ride should be in the 2:25 range. That would equate to roughly 33 oz. of fluid, 289 cals and 826mg of electrolytes per hour.

    Doable???
  •  Great breakdown Coach Patrick,  could you also detail how you took the S-Caps and the Gatorlytes?  Congrats on a your PR!

  • I've really struggled with bloating in all IMs. Had to go to water exclusively during races for 1-3 hrs just to settle stomach. (this can't be good). I have used Infinit. I "might" try Coach Ps strategy during RRs and see. Tough thing is that RRs don't exactly reproduce the same enviroment as a race. Since I haven't had a great nutrition race yet, probably can't hurt to try this.

  • Wow! Very interesting. I am struggling to come up with a good nutrition plan and have been scouring the EN Wiki for information. This certainly adds new variables to consider post Kansas. Thanks for sharing Coach!!
  • Great write-up and detail, thanks for documenting your plan.

    Just to be clear you started with what plan and then upgraded to what plan based on this list under resources.

    The Core Diet is generously offering Endurance Nation the following discounts:
    5% off 1-1 nutrition coaching (http://www.thecorediet.com/triathlon-diet/)
    10% off nutrition mission plans (http://www.thecorediet.com/services/mission/)
    $40 off of nutrition consultations (http://www.thecorediet.com/services/consultation/)
    $45 off race fueling plans (http://www.thecorediet.com/services/fueling/)
  • Love all this discussion....
    For me, I realized after IMLp when i counted calories that I was under fueled and probably over watered...
    I have a huge sampling on nutrition in my house so I can start trying new things and in all sorts of combinations so I can continue to learn what works for me....
  • I went the 200 cals/hour route for HIM FL70.3 and felt "low in gas" halfway through the run onward. Will give them a try for my Oct HIM Miami and report.
  •  Thanks.    I am a stetched out version of coach (i am taller, same weight).   So easy conversion for me to experiment.

         I had been mixing a 5 hour infinit botle for races.     This gives 300 cal per hour with the occ gel for 5+ hours.    I like the simplicity of water and infinit with no wrappers and missed handoffs.

    But the 300 cals is not working.          I would like to try similar to coach.    2-3 bottles per hour of perform (175 cal, 475 sodium, 25 potassium per bottle) plus carb source per hour.    

    Would like to stay simple with the 5 hour carb bottle.     If i use my current infinit forrmula, stomache may not tolerate the excess sodium.   Maybe liquified gel?  

       

  • @Bob, see my detailed reply over here: http://members.endurancenation.us/tabid/101/aft/8957/Default.aspx

    @Ken, I did 2 s-caps per hour and the gatorlytes were in my run set up. I had a fuelbelt with two empty bottles in back with just a packet each of gatorlytes. Then I added water at an aid station. I squirted it into the perform at each stop and pounded that…made it a less sweet drink and got me my salt. This was miles 3-9 and 10-18. After 18 I had two extra packets in my belt and at mile 18 and maybe 22 I tore it open dumped it in coke and pounded that. Knew I needed to stay on top of the salt…

    @Michael, I would try to get away from the tons of water. If you are bloating, the concentrated cals + water to dilute them sounds like an issue. I would go with something more streamlined (as in perform only) first…then start adding some calories in from there to see how it goes.

    @Greg, no worries…let us know what you do!

    @Attila, I did the 1:1 nutrition plan which I am pretty sure included the race fuel stuff…but I am not 100% sure.

    @Nate, yes I find that most athletes will under eat on race day, returning to collect their bike they'll find extra infinIT and gels, etc….it's critical that you 100% replicate your training performance in regards to nutrition…no fudging allowed!

    @Robin, note the 3 bottles was for a very hot day, a regular day (cool like at CDA or LP) would be 2 bottles per hour. I had no hand offs. One power bar was cut on top tube, other and all my gels in a bento box behind stem. Only got perform at aid stations on the bike, very simple. Excess sodium via the Perform is actually critical…it's in the proper ratio in the Perform and will make sure you can digest it all…besides, most folks can handle 1mg of sodium / hour in exercise without issues.
  • Thanks coach.   

    Did you mean we can handle one gram per hour of sodium (1000 mg)?

  • Coach P,

    Great info.  You commented on caloric intake, and you didn't feel too dehydrated afte the race.  Can you let us know if (1) your urine volume increased compared to previous races, or (2) you ever felt thristy.

    chris

  • I've been playing around with my nutrition as well, taking in more on the bike to set me up for the run because I felt flat on longer brick runs. I'm 5'6 118 and I found my magic number seems to be about 350-375 cal/hour on the bike and thats in 90-100 degrees. I was a little worried about trying more at first because I'm pretty small and the guidelines were saying 250 cal/hour (for males that have a lot more height and weight one me). But that seems to get my stomach in the right place for the run, where I'm not burping up but feel fueled. I still need to find a good number on the run (race rehearsal this weekend for that), but I find the bike I can take in a lot and the run not so much.

    Thanks for the insight Patrick!
  • Very interesting discussion. I had some major stomach cramping last year at placid, and ran out of gas on the run at Quassy yesterday. I think I am going to give the race fueling plans offered by Core Nutrition a shot - that's a nice discount we have. The concentrated infinate is very easy logistically, but I need to try something else. I am wondering how I would deal with all those fluids while training, or at a Rev3 event where there is Gatorade on the course instead of Perform.
  • Lots of great info! I'm glad they have you fueling more during workouts. People, particularly those who are trying to change body composition, tend to sacrifice workout fueling thinking that that will help when in actuality it is better to eat strategically during the day and fuel before, during, and after your workouts so you can maximize your training.

    This kind of workout fueling leads directly into race fueling. When I work with clients on race nutrition plans, I like to start 4 - 6 months out so we can get it dialed in during training so we KNOW it will work on race day.

    @Jim: If you want to use something during the race, you need to use it during training. That means using Gatorade when you do Rev3 races.
  • Thank you for sharing the details about your nutrition plan.  Based upon the experience you shared from IMTX I made some changes to my nutrition plan for this latest RR.  It made a huge difference for me.  I set my countdown timer to go off every 10 minutes where I would drink or eat something.  Typically something very small.  I moved the Infinit to the aerojug so it is more readily accessible and I started using cut-up pieces of powerbar.  When it came time for the run..... NO BONKING! and I was able to run the entire 60 minutes (proper pace and 30 step walk breaks about every 2 miles).  I am going to make a couple more minor adjustments, but I am excited to give this a try at IMCDA.

     

    Thanks Coach!

  • wow , wow, wow,..... If that is what nutrition can do for you/us I needs me some mo schoolin !!!

    Great job and an awesome article !!
  • @David: Yup. I find that a majority of the athletes for whom I do nutrition plans are under-fueling. They start eating more and performing better. I actually had one guy who I talked to at the Houston Marathon email me back and tell me it was the first time he'd run negative splits. He had one of the best races ever, and a great race he didn't expect because he wasn't trained as well as he wanted. All he changed was adding a little more fuel (not what he needed, but more than he had been taking down). He couldn't believe that it was only the additional fuel.
  • One question: I distinctly remember the guy from Infinit giving a talk last year as part of the 4 Keys at Ironman LP and he said that we should never use a sports drink with a gel. He said water with a gel only or your looking for trouble......So the question....Why do you think this didn't have an impact on you as he stated it would? Is it just the amount of Perform you took in (2-3 bottles--about 48 oz) was enough to dilute it to a usable concentration? (ok, 2 questions)
  • Yup, what keith said. I was there for the same talk in Placid last year. I'm interested in this answer. I'd rather not have to worry about the water if I don't have to. One less thing to be concerned about....
  • @ ketih, I've been giving this one a lot of thought...I am planning to test this one during training rides to see how it impacts me. I am under the assumption that this combo affects people differently. I'm even slighly paranoid over a plan I am considering of using infinit (not concentrated) as well as Perform on the course...Need to test all of this. I'm not totally convinced that my stomach will implode on itself just because I take a gel and add sports drink, but like I said, I'm planning to test this out fully...

    PS. lov'in Gu Chomps these days...
  • Posted By Keith Wick on 06 Jun 2012 08:48 PM

    One question: I distinctly remember the guy from Infinit giving a talk last year as part of the 4 Keys at Ironman LP and he said that we should never use a sports drink with a gel. He said water with a gel only or your looking for trouble......So the question....Why do you think this didn't have an impact on you as he stated it would? Is it just the amount of Perform you took in (2-3 bottles--about 48 oz) was enough to dilute it to a usable concentration? (ok, 2 questions)

    If you take in gels with sports drink rather than water you run the risk of having too many solutes (carbs) in your stomach and not enough fluid to dilute those solutes. This causes the body to take fluid away from the working muscles to flood the stomach to bring the osmolarity (amounts of solute in a solution) of the stomach down to a level where what is in the stomach can be processed/absorbed by the body. This equals GI distress specifically cramping and bloating in the stomach (upper part of abdomen under ribs). 

     Make sense?



     

  • Posted By Nate Parady on 07 Jun 2012 11:10 AM

    @ ketih, I've been giving this one a lot of thought...I am planning to test this one during training rides to see how it impacts me. I am under the assumption that this combo affects people differently. I'm even slighly paranoid over a plan I am considering of using infinit (not concentrated) as well as Perform on the course...Need to test all of this. I'm not totally convinced that my stomach will implode on itself just because I take a gel and add sports drink, but like I said, I'm planning to test this out fully...



    PS. lov'in Gu Chomps these days...

    Why are you mixing Infinit and Perform?



     

  • @penny, considering not concentrating my infinit this year and could see a situation where If I choose to keep using infinit by having 2-3 bottles on my bike at the start of the race wanting to grab another bottle of perform before I get to SN. I would then have another 2-3 bottles of infinit in my SN bags. Gels along the way to fill the calory gap. Haven't worked all this out yet. I'm also considering just ditching infinit and using perform. Reason to stay with infinit is mainly so I can dial the flavor down and customize the sodium...

    is there a known issue with infinit and perform mix...??
  • @Nate: Nothing wrong with it at all. Just curious about why.
  • Posted By Penny Wilson on 07 Jun 2012 11:15 AM
    Posted By Keith Wick on 06 Jun 2012 08:48 PM

    One question: I distinctly remember the guy from Infinit giving a talk last year as part of the 4 Keys at Ironman LP and he said that we should never use a sports drink with a gel. He said water with a gel only or your looking for trouble......So the question....Why do you think this didn't have an impact on you as he stated it would? Is it just the amount of Perform you took in (2-3 bottles--about 48 oz) was enough to dilute it to a usable concentration? (ok, 2 questions)

    If you take in gels with sports drink rather than water you run the risk of having too many solutes (carbs) in your stomach and not enough fluid to dilute those solutes. This causes the body to take fluid away from the working muscles to flood the stomach to bring the osmolarity (amounts of solute in a solution) of the stomach down to a level where what is in the stomach can be processed/absorbed by the body. This equals GI distress specifically cramping and bloating in the stomach (upper part of abdomen under ribs). 

     Make sense?



     

    Hi Penny,

    Sorry to side track this.  For the last few years I've used a very concentrated bottle of Infinit and sipped it over the course of about 2 hours, and chased with water (I take in about 3 sips which is about 75 cal once every 15min) .  Most of the time I'm fine, but maybe 25% of the time I get serve cramping right below my ribs in the area you described.  I don't notice on the bike but litterally within a few mintues of running I notice it.

    Could the root issue be the same as what you described above with not having enough fuild in my stomach to digest the carbs?

    I've never had this issue in a race that I used sports drinks mixed as recomended, only when using the concentrated bottles.

  • @Matt: Yes, the concentrated infinit could be the cause. Perhaps you need to dilute it more with water the closer you get to the run or use a less concentrated bottle for the last quarter or so of the bike.
  • Last year at Lake Placid I used concentrated infinate on the bike and run, chased with water. I supplemented that with a gel every hour on the bike chased with water, and a package of powerbar chew things at the bike special needs and in T2. I felt great all day, until about 5 miles into the run, when severe stomach cramping in the area described by Penny above set it. Forced me to a walk for a while. Eventually recovered enough to run the rest of the marathon, but slower than I wanted - an on water only! Anything other than water caused the cramping to increase.

    Not sure what happened - perhaps my on-the-fly dilution factor was not right (but it should have been, at least on paper, and worked training). Or maybe it's something about infinate. I remember many race reports last year from Placid where EN'ers reported very similar issues!

    I'm working on an alternate fueling method now.
  •  THanks Penny.

     

    Back on topic .... I have slowly increase my calories over the year and while I am no where near P's I too am finding more is better for me.  I'm sure there is a point of diminishing returns though so I am going to continue to increase my intake slowly.

  • @ Penny--thanks for the explanation, but now you've triggered other questions. What is the max osmolarity and how would one go about exploring whether the combination of gels, Infinit, Perform, food is going to be below that number. I know my Infinite gives me a number, but what about the other sources?
  • At a race weight of 120lbs my experience has been that I like around 250 per hour that is over 2 calories per lb for the bike , and for the run around 200 per hour or 1.7 cals per lb. I also do not like water. I never used to use water and tried infinit last year and did not like infinit or the water. Havent had any issues digesting with only sports drink. My plan this year is to go back to pieces of bars for the first half of the bike, transition to blocks for the second half and only taking in sports drink for fluid. The run all gels , sports drink, coke. Although I am going to try EFS liquid shot since it has no gelling agents and might even be easier to digest than regular gels and blocks. I have always been amazed at how few calories some people take in.
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