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JOS 2018 Bike Week 2 - Welcome to the Discomfort Zone

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  • I can tonight when I get home from work.   I just go into the Workouts in Zwift, scroll all the way to the bottom and there should be a list for "TrainingPeaks Custom Workouts"  (or is that "Custom TrainingPeaks Workouts").   But you have to have your Zwift Account linked up to your TrainingPeaks account before you would see them.

  • I can tonight when I get home from work.   I just go into the Workouts in Zwift, scroll all the way to the bottom and there should be a list for "TrainingPeaks Custom Workouts"  (or is that "Custom TrainingPeaks Workouts").   But you have to have your Zwift Account linked up to your TrainingPeaks account before you would see them.

    Thanks.  I can't believe that people on this forum actually work  :)
  • For a little "pre-work".  Can you look in TrainingPeaks, and look to see if you have your bike workout for today, and what name you gave it?




  • I feel the positive vibes with each post.   I'm still a newbie, so appreciate knowing whether there is a JOS group Zwift ride for Sunday (where the long rides are scheduled) or is there a Sunday EN group ride?  Still trying to figure out where to spend 2 plus hours on Zwift.  Thanks
    There are EN rides designed to be ABP on both Sat & Sun. Each will have 10-20+ EN riders going. Sat starts @ 1500 UTC (7 AM PST) and Sun @ 1300 UTC (8 AM EST). FYI, the Sat ride usually attracts folks who have an FTP in the range of 2.5-3.5 w/kg, while the Sun ride features many of ENs stronger riders (3.4-4.2 w/kg). But if your are willing to do a little arithmetic and tinker with your profile on Zwift, you can adjust for that. EG, my w/kg is now @ 3.45, so I leave it alone for Saturday. When I ride on Sunday, I adjust my weight and height so that I can stay with the big boys. Or, if you are fast and want to ride with us on Sat, you can add weight! Here's a calculator to help you do that:
    http://www.virtualonlinecycling.com/p/handicapcalculator.html

    I assume you can find the Biking section of the Wiki, where there are a few links to much more information about Zwift. Final note, the "Official EN Zwift Jersey" is "Basic 5", which you get early on (like level 2?) in Zwift. It's red and black stripped. Wear that, and add TeamEN to the end of your name, and you'll be easier to spot by other ENers riding. And also, "Follow" as many ENers and you can on Zwift, and add yourself to the GroupMe Chats for current info.
  • @Robert Sabo - Does gear selection matter in ERG mode? I thought the answer was no until I watched this video: http://blog.wahoofitness.com/erg-mode-gear-selection-matter/


  • So that article is a little confusing but my perception of my ride this AM in light of the article was that in a lower gear it is easier to slow a little and then get right back to same RPM (inertia) but that causes a big adjustment of the ERG and results in big drop of POWER.  Then you have to either pedal at higher RPM or wait for the ERG to kick the power back up at that cadence.  With the higher gear the inertia is lower which means if you do slow your cadence it is hard to speed it back up but the bouncing up and down just seems less.  You also have to concentrate more on keeping that steady cadence.
  • I can tonight when I get home from work.   I just go into the Workouts in Zwift, scroll all the way to the bottom and there should be a list for "TrainingPeaks Custom Workouts"  (or is that "Custom TrainingPeaks Workouts").   But you have to have your Zwift Account linked up to your TrainingPeaks account before you would see them.

    Thanks.  I can't believe that people on this forum actually work  :)
    @Andrew Lustigman

    Here is a screenshot of my TrainingPeaks workout in Zwift on the AppleTV

  • Second round using the EN workout in Zwift. To compensate for the power fluctuation of the Doreto, I increased my FTP in Zwift by 10 watts.  The fluctuations are really due to my inability to hold a solid cadence and the smaller flywheel compared to the Kickr I am used too.  Basically what @Robert Sabo said above.

    2x12'@ .97 & .98
  • I love to hate ERG mode.  There is no pauses and the cool down is the hardest part of the whole ride.. so joking but not joking.  When you reduce your watts down so low, you spin out and my behind starts to hurt because it is like 3 minutes of spinning out.  Tonights workout allowed me 1.7 pieces of pizza. 

    FYI, the mileage was really short because it was 1200 feet of climbing for the 1:05 ride.  Not sure about the course but it will allow me to get the Tron bike much faster.  :)
  • @Mark Hickman, currently I add a Sunday ride and a shorter brick run at this time to keep my volume a bit lower due to some foot issues. By doing so, I am still getting the aerobic work as well as the durability early in the season without a compromise of fitness. The bike is definetely shaping up nicely!

    @Paul Curtin just part of a new habit I am building. I definitely like the quite time and a great sense of accomplishment knowing I am getting after it before others!!
  • My cold has taken up residence in my chest.  Had a interrupted night of sleep, but decided to ride/run anyways.  I thought I'd need to dial it back, but I managed ok.  HR was higher than last week, but that doesn't surprise me.  I used drugs to enhance my ride...halls cough drops were on the music stand with the laptop today.  

    Tonight I feel a bit like there is an elephant on my head, so its tea and off to bed for me!
  • Did my ftp workout today as a zwift race, 17 miles.  Pretty much at my ftp for most of the race just to stay with the front pack.  Crazy hard workout but the racing aspect takes your mind off of the suffering (a little).  I could relax a tiny bit in the peloton but not too much.  Once I get dropped, which happened on the uphill section 3/4 of the way into the race (no power ups), it was out of my ability to catch back up and they were gone.  It was a little more than the prescribed ftp time but a great workout.
  • edited January 17, 2018 7:11PM
    A little late in the day but got the FTP workout done. Felt better than last week. @Paul Curtin, I also did an experiment. I used TrainerRoad on my smart phone and rode in Zwift on my laptop. I didn't look at Zwift that much. Actually, I find Zwift boring by yourself (maybe it's because I'm on a regular training?). Swift is much more fun doing races and group rides. I also didn't look at TrainerRoad a lot. (Spent the most time looking down at my legs telling them "you got this!" :# ) I'm also planning to sub a Zwift race for a FTP workout in a couple weeks.

    Edited to add my workout: 2X15' at .996 and 1.01
    https://www.strava.com/activities/1361566929


  • @Mark Hickman - per your earlier comment about the "extra ride" people are doubling up the weekend rides with Monday being a rest day. In the bike focus plan we do the RXd ride for Saturday and then do the Group Zwift APB ride on Sunday. 

    @paul curtin that's exactly what riding with @matt limbert outside the matrix is like! and you don't want to lose his wheel!

  • a day late and a watt short! had my cortisone shot yesterday, just in time to go to "Al Camp" next week!
    did 2x15
    15' @ 246 AHR 159
    15' @ 244 AHR 166

    I find that as i dig into the intervals (using a wahoo kickr) that eventually my cadence slows and i keep reducing gear. I am going to watch the video later that @rob sabo posted, but my take is that over time the flywheel gets a little slow, particularly as i am always "climbing" hills to increase my elevation towards the tron bike, and eventually one needs to inject extra power to get the flywheel spinning again, then slowly reduce pressure back to target watts at a faster cadence. Hopefully that makes sense. 

    I am wondering if i rode a flat course, how different this might be? might have to experiment with that next week. 

  • I see a bunch of late day work was done yesterday. Great job @Derrek Sanks and @Peter Lautenslager.  I also had a long workday and didn't find my bike until after 7:30 pm. I loaded up the London Flat course and got busy. I really wasn't feeling motivated for a strong workout but after I got into the warm-up things improved. I was able to hit my 2 X 15' intervals @ 1.01 & 1.02. I even got a quick 1 mile brick in. I hope everyone has a high quality run today.
  • Tried a maiden voyage on Elvira, on the trainer yesterday. That sucked. I need a bike fit bad! Putting my old bike on the trainer so I can get some work done. Going to try to get a TT bike fit. 

    I have a critically ill 4 legged kid this week. Had to rush her into the vet Monday morning. SHe is in liver failure. Unsure why. No xylitol exposure that we know of. Maybe viral. Got her home last night. SHe's better but not her sparky self. Sleeping a lot. Eating some and drinking a little. I'm kinda gluied to her 6. Vet says her condition is guarded at best. My head just isn't into training right now. Fitting in what I can. Pearl just wants to snuggle and I'm ok with that. 

    Have a great run today everyone! I'll get mine down this afternoon. I am going to go open road. May my achilles forgive my bravado. 
  • Hope your 4 legged gets well @Jacklyn Moore

    I seem to enjoy the late workouts.  Never can get the legs firing right at 5am.  Last night threshold workout started at like 10pm.  Felt great and finished with brick 25min run.  2x12' at 256, 251.  Got done at like 11:30pm.  We had snow here yesterday, which pretty much shut the town down (Tennessee after all).  Got home from work early, but spent all evening outside with the kids enjoying the white stuff.  
  • edited January 17, 2018 9:33PM
    @Jacklyn Moore Hopefully things return to normal soon and you can get back to training.  Good call on getting a bike fit.

    As for me I'm behind.  Spent a little extra time with Brody and was not feeling it later last night.  I knew grandma was talking the kid today so got in the bike ride this AM still have to look at the data but my watch said IF of around 1.0 for 2X15' then did 10' at .85 to finish off the hour.

    https://www.strava.com/activities/1361774869
  • JohnStark said:

    @Andrew Lustigman - To expand on Jason's comment...the workout appears to have to be built in TP on the same day as the workout.  You can't preload workouts in advance.  I built one yesterday for today and it didn't show up on my ATV.  Rebuilt it this morning and within 5 minutes it was on my AppleTV in Zwift workouts at the bottom under Custom Training Peaks Workouts.  It really is crazy easy to do.

    Ride on!
    @JohnStark
    Do you have the "paid" TrainingPeaks account?   I have my entire OS scheduled out in TrainingPeaks, and each "bike" day, my workout is there in Zwift.

    I think the "free" account won't let you schedule out your workouts and have them show up.

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    Jason Veith - I am a Premium member.  I read that this is a known issue.  I will build and place tomorrows WKO in TP calendar today for tomorrow and will see if it works.  Obviously didn't work for me yesterday.
  • So.....didn't post Tuesday....But I did it....and last thursday I missed the 30/30 change up in workout so I did the Tuesday repeats.....Here goes 30/30 tomorrow.
  • Thanks to me remembering that I actually do have bike shorts (I usually only wear tri shorts) plus an entire container of euro style chamois cream,  I was able to complete Sunday's ride without issue!!

     I'm also way more comfortable on the bike this week and in fact today I did Tuesday's ride (because my body was screaming for sleep and I ended up in bed at 8pm)  and I was able to do most of it in aero; I have not ridden in aero on my bike in over 2 years!!

    Tomorrow is another ride and thanks to Zwift I'm beyond geeked to saddle up! 


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  • edited January 18, 2018 11:26AM
    After a long day at work, I really enjoyed 2x(10x1’ Over/Under at 217w) with the men at Paris Roubaix on The Sufferfest. Pretty pleased with that FTP in early January.

    @Jeff Horn: Thanks for reminding me that a late evening workout goes just fine.
  • I swear the only reason I was excited about these 30/30 was because tomorrow is Friday and I don't bike again until Sunday - not too bad - but I also don't have technology to chase.  I'm sure that's all about to chance once I get my computer on my bike this weekend (hopefully:) )
  • 30/30's Wk2 in the books!!  Wheee!!! That was fun!

    https://www.strava.com/activities/1362870381


  • On Wk2 with the 30/30's. Still trying to figure out Zwift.  Kept losing wifi so I switched to my mobile hot spot. I need to purchase a long cable for internet. My cable box is on the first floor and the trainer is in the basement. Can anyone help with what cable to run from one floor to next? 
  • Thursday's ride is in the books.  I want a rewrite of the WKO in Trainerroad, my Thursdays are 30/20" and I could use the extra 10" recovery!

    Got Tuesdays FTP ride done also.  I was in western NC mountains last weekend and unable to get on the bike at all with weather in the teens, but all bike work this week felt a little better than last...but it still hurt.

    P.S. regarding trainerroad, I know how to do it I'm just lazy/complaining.
  • @Yvette Metz  Maybe try a wifi repeater/extender.  You can buy them at any Best Buy/Target/Meijer - that will duplicate or repeat your signal extending the range and may help avoid a long cable  We have to use those in Florida to accommodate large steel walls with lots of angles. 
  • edited January 18, 2018 5:03PM
    @",Yvette Metz, I ran a Male/Female 4 foot USB cable from my laptop. I attached my Garmin ant+ stick and set it directly under my power meter. If you are running w/o a power meter, you may need a wifi booster plugged in close to your bike.
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