Purchase Your Powermeter Through Endurance Nation
Hi,
Want to make the leap to training with power, or to upgrade your current system? Purchase your powermeter through Endurance Nation.
We sell:
- Powertap builds and Quarq powermeters through Wheelbuilder.com. We can also get any flavor race wheel, or other wheel for that matter, you want.
In additon, our range of power resources enables to offer some compelling add-ons for your purchases:
- WKO+ 3.0 software: $99 with the purchase of PM (added to PM invoice), $109 without (PURCHASE HERE), vs $129 retail.
- Power webinar: $49 with the purchase of a PM (added to PM invoice), $59 without (PURCHASE HERE), vs $79 retail
- Wheelcover (turns your PT wheel into a disk): $79 for black, $89 for white vs $90/99 retail.
How to order:
Email rich@endurancenation.us, with Power Quote in the subject.
"But my LBS, online retailer, local tri coach Jimmy offers a better discount. Why should I buy through EN?"
'Cuz when you have questions about your PM, how to work it, troubleshoot it, train and race with it, you're gonna ask us and we and the Team will help you fix it, not your LBS or TriSports.com. Please consider keeping it in the family and support the guys who are going to support your purchase, 24/7.
Again, for all your powermeter, software, and learning materials needs, just email rich@endurancenation.us with Power Quote in the subject and I'll get back to you. Thanks!
Rich
Comments
Vince
Ditto,
Bought my Ergomo from Rich back in the Crucible Fitness days. He may not remember my questions through the years but I sure do.
Worth every penny.
+3 I bought my Ergomo from Rich and the service was outstanding. So much so that I just bought a Quarq through EN.
Rich,
What about PT products like the Joule?
When it comes out I'll be able to get it through WB
I had thought about selling the disc and getting a cycle ops, but that seems nuts. I have a DA 7800 crank now, maybe sell that and go for the quark?
The cycle ops will be the cheaper option, how would a wheel & cover compare to my Blackwell?
My $0.02:
Performance regarding the disk vs. standard wheel w/cover will be a wash for about 99% of people. In fact, some will argue that data exists/studies show that the wheel cover option is objectively faster. I don't know if that's true or not. if you look at the forum threads out there, most people tend to think there's not much difference. I would think that's true, particularly for the average AGer.
I have a wheel cover for my 808s. What I have found is that you need to have a good fit. Frankly, I don't use the cover much because it's a pain to take off and put on; and also, because the fit isn't perfect, so it bulges a little, requiring tape or something to keep the edges down. Doesn't look very good, and the 808 is already on par with disk performance. I doubt my meager abilities make much difference.
I (now) use a Quarq PM with my 808s (used to use Ergomo), and do not plan to use the disc cover anymore. So, if I were in your shoes (and assuming the price difference is not a factor), I'd get the Quarq. You have the Garmin head unit already, so you won't need a further investment for a cyclocomputer. You can keep your disk wheel, and you have a great race machine.
HOWEVER... if you ride a road bike in some of your training and want to measure power, it will probably be more difficult to switch the Quarq around to other bikes than it would be the PowerTap, so keep that in mind when making your decision. I've heard switching a Quarq can be done relatively easily, but I've never done it. In any event, no matter what anyone says, I can't imagine it's easier than swapping out a wheel, and if you have to loosen and tighten the crank bolt (which I'd imagine you do, in order to swap the cranks out), then you're probably going to be placing more wear on the bolt threads with each successive swap, and certainly more wear than if you just left it on one bike.
Your out of pocket expense for the Quarq would be roughly $1500 since you have the Garmin computer. For the PowerTap wireless, you're out of pocket $1000 for the cheapest new model for the hub/cyclocomputer alone, so you have to factor in the cost of the wheel, too. Seems to me that even a cheap wheel would put you within a couple hundred bucks of the Quarq cost. I'm uncertain if you can buy the hub without computer (surely you can), so that might reduce costs further for the PT option, assuming the Garmin computer works with the PT (which I THINK it does).
Hope that helps.
It seems that I will not be losing out a lot by changing out my disc for a Cosmic w/ a wheel cover, as long as it’s a good fit! I’ll save the $1,500 from the Quarq and put it towards races.
I am looking for any advice though before I buy/ sell anything. I love my current wheels, but looks like having a PM will benefit me more.
Cool!! Sign me up for one when they come out.
I got prices from Rich and will set up a pre-order for everyone who wants one. I have a feeling he's going to sell out very quickly and then there might be a wait for the next round.
Will you send us out an email or something? Either way I'm saying now I'll be in on the preorder.
I haven't seen any items out for it yet but I wonder if you can order 2 bike mounts so I can move between bikes?
Add me also Rich with 2 mounts. Joule 2.0 looks like a great product.
Vince
Awesome! Count me in too for the pre-order.
Will you be looking into a group discount for the new Vector Power Meter from MetriGear coming out in the Spring. Plz forgive me if you covered this, I'm new.
If you need a contact at the company LMK I might have one through my brother in law as the BMC cycling team will be using this meter.
Surprisingly I my Ergomo seems to still be working but I'm anxious to switch.
From the web.
The Metrigear Vector power meter...is a $1000 power meter that weights 50 grams and can easily be switched from bike to bike, and works on the road and the track. It's been under development for the last five years, and Metrigear hopes to release it in the first quarter of 2010.
I'm extremely reluctant to jump into a new device, especially if I'm to jump in with a team. I'd rather let the bleeding edge types bang it out ST, the power forum and see what the reports are.
That makes sense.
Hi Rich,
I am interested in purchasing PT SL+ hub for a Zipp 808 as I think my current wheelbuilder disc for Mavic SL+ will not be optimal for IM France. What would be the EN price?
From the first post in the thread:
For all power-gadget (PMs, WKO, etc) quotes/request, please email me and I'll get right back to you.
I would go for a Quarq Cinqo or SRM as both should be compatible with bot Shimano and Campy. I jst got my SRAM Cinqo this week and have already put it in both my tri and road bike. It is really easy to swap if you put the same bottom bracket on both bikes... take chain off, lossen one 8mm allen bolt, pull crank arm out, then slide it into the other bottom brack, tighten the 8mm bolt, and put the chain on.
Otherwise the powertap could get tricky as you need to specify which type of hub you want. I belive Saris sells a kit to convert a hub from one to the other for about $100, but I'm guessing this is not something you would want to mess with every time you wanted to change bikes.
So the problem is with the cassettes, right? Campy cassettes not being compatible with Shimano drivetrain and vice versa.
You could still go with the PT, but have to change cassettes when you change bikes.
Of course, I like Matt's idea better ( I just got my Quarq Cinqo too!). I like crank/bottom bracket based PM's because I'm a slave to velo fashion and own 4 sets of wheels.
I actually thought you would have to change the freehub portion of the power tap hub, but it looks like Saris may have a solution for you.
If you get a shimano power tab hub, you can by the cassette below to use it on your campy bike.
http://www.saris.com/p-134-campagno...o-hub.aspx
I still recomend going with a Quarq or SRM, but the powertap and $100 conversion cassette would be a cheaper.
The only addition I would make is that as easy as it might be to swap out a crank, I know from experience that the more times you wrench on an important bolt, it's just a matter of time before that bolt gets stripped, the head gets stripped, or something otherwise bad and expensive happens.
I wouldn't hold my breath on the MetriGear release. Based on the email update they recently sent out it's pretty much vapor-ware at this point. If you don't have an early- or even mid-season race then you might be OK holding off, but if you NEED power in the next few months you might be looking at Saris or Quarq.
Hey Rich - does the $39 apply to credit cards or just PayPal? I'm in the market for a Quarq.
Hi Matt - re the Quarq - my new TT bike has BB30 while my training bike (roadie) is standard (ultegra hollowtec cranks/BB) - am i correct in thinking that I can convert BB30 to standard but not standard to BB30?
Cinqo does interest me but don't really want to convert a nice stiff BB30 bottom-bracket to standard - that'd be OK on the training bike however. Would have to buy teh cinqo and a BB30 road frame! :-)
Any tips appreciated.
Dave
You are correct you can convert a BB30 BB to standard, but not the other way around.
You have two options as far as the Quarq: Quarq has a few BB30 compatabale models available or you can just get a standard one and the sleeve that converts BB30 to standard.
One thing I would keep in mind is if you plan to switch the crank between two bikes, both would need to be BB30 if you went that route.
Call or email the guys at Quarq up if you have questions, they have been very responsive and helpfull.
Thanks Matt - you've answered my question - only way is to find a training frame with BB30 in that case. Currently rocking an old wired PT on the training bike but pricing up for 2 x wireless hubs so one can go on the race wheel ( I know, I know! but I like nice wheels - think they are the most important bit - IMO so long as your frame fits, it doesn't really matter what it is).
Bet there's not many winter hack bikes with BB30!
Yes. The vig from the CC companies and PayPal is very high on transactions this large.
Just one persons opinion but I would just go with a standard crank...
Last year I got a set of really nice aerobars that were super light and aero, but had limited adjustability. They worked great with my bike at the time, however when I got a new frame I couldn't get them to fit right and now needed now bars again. I've learned a few times now that equipment can need to change for a number of reasons, and having components that are flexible and fit everything are a big advantage.
If you get a standard Quarq, you can use it on any frame out there from the probably the last twenty years. Adapters can be used on newer BB30, BB86 and what ever else comes out. Sure you are not getting the full benefit of BB30, but will the few extra grams or slight change in stiffness affect you?