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Watts per Kilo Klub (WKK)

Watts per Kilo Klub

The Watts per Kilo Klub (WKK) was inspired by this discussion over here.

The official WKK Training Website is here. Special thanks to John Withrow for starting us off with a spreadsheet, and Marc Robards for taking it to the next level by coding these webpages for us!

Intent of the WKK:

    Help You Achieve Your Goal

    Setting, tracking, sharing, and holding ourselves accountable to the group for our watts per kilo goal encourages us to "attack the problem" from two directions: building fitness (high watts) while improving body composition (lower kg). If knowing that the members of WKK are going to ask you for an update means that you put down the donut or squeeze another 5w out of your interval workout, that's a win!


    The WKK is for Everyone

    In the past we've had similar groups / forum threads / spreadsheets / whatevers start up -- well intentioned tools to help everyone achieve a goal and have fun with the shared challenges involved in achieving that goal. However, for whatever reasons, sometimes (not often at all, though) these venues can become a handful of members talking to each other, often with friendly smack-talk that is 100% perceived as such by the primary participants, but can be off-putting to new members or folks not "in" on the conversations. So, with that in mind:

    1. The WKK is about documenting and celebrating improvement and accomplishment of goals, NOT the size of absolute numbers.
    2. If you, as a participant in the WKK, develop and are motivated by a healthy smacktalking relationship with a small group of other members...that's great! But please consider that not everyone is into that, might feel intimidated by it, so a better venue for those exchanges may be the personal message system vs this WKK forum thread.
    3. Likewise, if you find yourself intimidated by the exchanges you do see, please consider that EN folks are 100% good people who will be 100% supportive of you and your goals.  Jump right in, post your stuff, and tap into the mojo of the group!

    Don't have a Powermeter?

    Please investigate TrainerRoad.com as an alternative, or contact me for a quote on a powermeter system (rich@endurancenation.us), or start swiping the kid's lunch money . Earning SAU's around the house is a good method also

    Remember, the WKK is about helping you to achieve YOUR goals by creating an accountability system that helps you tap into the collective mojo of the Team. Have fun!

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    Comments

    • On the kg side of things, have you heard of dietbet or similar websites? You can get a group together and all put in a set amount of $ with a goal to lose xx % of bodyweight or whatnot. Whoever reaches the goal splits the pot, so its not just one winner takes all. Any interest in an EN group for it?
    • I liked the simple weekly body comp google sheets we used to use a few years ago, quick, easy, effective. How about just doing the same thing but just track each weeks w/kg instead of the actual weight? I'd say start simple and let it evolve over time.
    • Once a week checking: everyone put in their W/Kg current FTP and Weight on the same day (sunday?) with weekly stats: biggest improvment, who's ahead of who on the W/kg rankings, etc.. funny u started this, was about to call out Dino and JW as i want to beat Dino to the 4W/Kg club and JW wants to beat us both. So i will Start:
      Weight last monday: 65.3KG FTP 194 watts 2.97W/kg
      Dino and JW, where are u @?
      i am sure this will work as i was craving for a pizza yesterday, and went for salmon and veggies thinking of Dino climbing hills on his backyard image
    • @Rachel - I like the idea of dietbet - although hadn't heard of it before - it's worth exploring!

      @Matt - welcome back!

    • HA! crazy.

      My signature line went this route back in Nov as my goal for this year shifted to a 'training year'. I wanted to spend almost as much time working on my mindful eating habits (and consequently, training with new mindful eating habits) as I'll be working on intervals on the bike or at the track.

      It is, in a way, my 'A' race. To learn how eating less and recovering better affects my biking and running, without becoming a grouchy a-hole. I'm spending a year working on this to drop those kilo's slowly and then will take up another IM in 2015 5-8kg's lighter than I've ever been.

      This takes way more focus and energy than we think it does. It's not complicated, but, it's not easy. That's why I figure making a change like this in non A race season is perfect. The focus that I would be putting on the race stuff is now directed at my eating/recovery habits.

      That's why I'm putting my w/kg on a timeline in my signature line. Makes me look at it every time I post. I can see the progress when I'm on it. And, if I stay motivated so that I don't backtrack.

      Baby steps, nothing radical.

    • Posted By Matt Ancona on 09 Jan 2014 04:57 PM


      I liked the simple weekly body comp google sheets we used to use a few years ago, quick, easy, effective. How about just doing the same thing but just track each weeks w/kg instead of the actual weight? I'd say start simple and let it evolve over time.

      Hey Matt, would you happen to be able to find a copy of that?

    • I like this idea. I have been training using virtual power on TrainerRoad, and I am pretty close to the magic 4.0 ratio. 232/61kg = 3.8. However, I just ordered a real power meter today and I wonder how different the new FTP will be :/

    • Posted By Peter Noyes on 09 Jan 2014 06:10 PM


      I like this idea. I have been training using virtual power on TrainerRoad, and I am pretty close to the magic 4.0 ratio. 232/61kg = 3.8. However, I just ordered a real power meter today and I wonder how different the new FTP will be :/

      W/kg are cool and all but just remember that old age and treachery beats youth and exuberance every time, he said, as he passed you on Chantry on Saturday within 150m of the top...

    • Hehe, I am gonna have to go back to Chantry and kill it!


    • Posted By Rich Strauss on 09 Jan 2014 06:04 PM

      Posted By Matt Ancona on 09 Jan 2014 04:57 PM


      I liked the simple weekly body comp google sheets we used to use a few years ago, quick, easy, effective. How about just doing the same thing but just track each weeks w/kg instead of the actual weight? I'd say start simple and let it evolve over time.

      Hey Matt, would you happen to be able to find a copy of that?

      I spend a few minutes looking and coundn't find it, I'll keep looking.  It was definitely in Google sheets and i didn't create it so i don't have the original but I may have a link saved somewhere.

      Calling NEMO, we need your EN search skills!

    • actually, just found the 2009 version. sending it to Coach Rich now.
    • That weight tracker worked really well for me a couple years ago. I remember having to enter my goal weight and then weighing in every week. I knew people would be looking to see who's making progress and who's not. I didn't want to be that guy going the wrong way so it kept me really motivated.
    • I'll do whatever you guys decide.  I'm in.  Track it or it won't get better right?

    • I'm in as well.........just need to know when the Chantry re-match is..................
    • Coach Rich,

      I did the weekly weigh for 2-3 years, but I dropped it about a year ago.  FTP could be added for a w/kg.  It was a very basic google docs spreadsheet.  Here's a link to the 2012-2013 version of the spreadsheet: 

      https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AmL0Nf1Vba9BdDRHMEk1dl9VMlViNjUwTzJ5ZVlfYnc#gid=0

      I like the idea of getting back in to a weekly weigh in and the merit badges. 

      Beyond that fire up a thread to set goals.  I know that I have set personal rewards if I hit my weight goals.  For example I get to sign up for the Kona Lottery if I get belwo 225 by February 28th.  The second goal of 210?(can't remember the exact number right now) by May 25 for my 1/2 marathon and I get to fly of to sign up for IMLP 2015. I'll just have to adapt them for the w/kg Klub.

      Gordon

    • Not sure if this is the right place, but seemed related. One of the wiki documents talks about the weight in lbs/height in inches ratio and that it needs to be 2.2 -2.5. I am below 2.2 even with a bunch of extra holiday lbs. How critical is this?

    • Posted By Anu Rao on 10 Jan 2014 12:20 PM


      Not sure if this is the right place, but seemed related. One of the wiki documents talks about the weight in lbs/height in inches ratio and that it needs to be 2.2 -2.5. I am below 2.2 even with a bunch of extra holiday lbs. How critical is this?
      Anu - I think the LOWER the number, the better, for lbs/height. I'm lean (NOT skinny), and have not been north of 2.2 since 1997 (2.14 now, race @ 2.07). That may change as I'm starting to shrink, though. That range must be a starting target for folks who struggle with body comp, not us lucky ones.
    • Thanks Al, good to know. I am at similar numbers as you, about 2.14 or so now and typically 2.05 ish when racing. And I am by no means scrawny just smaller boned.
    • I like the W/Kg accountability idea. It will force me to stay focused on the gradual body comp progression. I can take a crack at a spreadsheet this weekend if nobody has anything useful.

      @David, here's my starting point. Last test was on 12/09/13. 306W. I weighed 193 this morning, so I'll be starting at 3.49W/Kg. It's a long way to 4.0... I have a goal to be 185lbs by the end of Feb and an FTP target of 320 by then so that would put me at 3.81 if I hit both of those... My only chance of getting to 4.0 this yr is to get to 331W and 182lbs. Those are both "doable" independently, hitting them at the same time will be the hard part...
    • I'm in, whatever it looks like. GREAT idea!

    • I'd like to get back to 4.0 w/kg so I'm in for some accountability. My FTP currently sucks (for me) but that's what two years straight of long course racing and a two month layoff from cycling will do.
    • bump...

      It appears there is obvious interest in a spreadsheet. I'm not computer savvy so I'm not sure I could create it. I would be willing to promote it though on a weekly basis similar to what Gordon used to do.

      I'm down for a badge too when I get my W/Kg to 4.0+ image

    • Posted By DAVID RICHMOND on 09 Jan 2014 05:34 PM


      Once a week checking: everyone put in their W/Kg current FTP and Weight on the same day (sunday?) with weekly stats: biggest improvment, who's ahead of who on the W/kg rankings, etc.. funny u started this, was about to call out Dino and JW as i want to beat Dino to the 4W/Kg club and JW wants to beat us both. So i will Start:

      Weight last monday: 65.3KG FTP 194 watts 2.97W/kg

      Dino and JW, where are u @?

      i am sure this will work as i was craving for a pizza yesterday, and went for salmon and veggies thinking of Dino climbing hills on his backyard

      I have taken a page from William J.'s play book and have been "quietly plotting my revenge..."


    • Posted By John Withrow on 10 Jan 2014 02:19 PM


      I like the W/Kg accountability idea. It will force me to stay focused on the gradual body comp progression. I can take a crack at a spreadsheet this weekend if nobody has anything useful.



      @David, here's my starting point. Last test was on 12/09/13. 306W. I weighed 193 this morning, so I'll be starting at 3.49W/Kg. It's a long way to 4.0... I have a goal to be 185lbs by the end of Feb and an FTP target of 320 by then so that would put me at 3.81 if I hit both of those... My only chance of getting to 4.0 this yr is to get to 331W and 182lbs. Those are both "doable" independently, hitting them at the same time will be the hard part...

      Sounds so easy when lay it out like that....  

    • Anything with a spreadsheet, I'm in! image
    • working on the Kg part of the equation: today's 63.7kg with same ftp brings me from 2.97 W/KG to 3.04W/KG... way behind JW's 3.49
      @Dino: we still don't have your numbers image
    • @David I am in reformatted the decimal places to 2 but looks good! How is your wife and the babies coming long

    • Posted By DAVID RICHMOND on 17 Jan 2014 09:01 AM
      working on the Kg part of the equation: today's 63.7kg with same ftp brings me from 2.97 W/KG to 3.04W/KG... way behind JW's 3.49
      @Dino: we still don't have your numbers <img src='http://members.endurancenation.ushttp://members.endurancenation.us/DesktopModules/ActiveForums/themes/_default//emoticons/wink.gif' align="absmiddle" border="0" />
      I started my own thread last month and posted numbers. In excel.... image
    • @Ray: wife is fine (her Bday today) and babies are coming along well. Next week is 2nd echo and doc said we should be able to hear the heartbeats. Thanx for asking.
      and Thanx for the 2 decimal thing (wasn't able to locate this image
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